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Did any one notice that the lucistic alterna was but ugly and had suboc bug eyes man that is a ugly snake.
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Archie Bottoms

What bothers me about Magazine Articles is that whenever you hear about Alterna, you get these articles that are very basic, very dull, over simplified. Then we get an article about Leucistic Alterna or something??? (no I haven't seen or read the magazine)

I really liked the Merker article that talked about his first trip to Texas. I like to see articles that show great pictures and various localities listed. Some of the folks on here like
Damon and Joe take outstanding pictures. It would be really neat to see an article with that quality and accuracy about Alterna. Maybe an article entitled "The Alterna of Sanderson". Something that can show the public variation and beauty of Graybands with real facts and great pictures.

Guess that's our luck that we rarely get any press and when we do its a White Gray Band... Oh well.. back to the down-low.

StevenX

The snake is interesting for what it is. In my opinion, a leucistic colubrid is a leucistic colubrid (unless it is an indigo). If you want a white snake, get a cheap TX rat. That shouldn't negate the value of the alterna, which I would be glad to possess. Please don't resort to petty comments like this. Also, the snake in that picture doesn't lead you to believe they have bug eyes. Have you ever looked at an alterna? Try it again. Your perspective is off because normally the color of the eye blends in to the grey/black of the head. The eye might appear to you to be larger because there is more contrast with the white. The eyes are no larger than on a normally colored alterna.

No, I have never scene an alterna is that what that but ugly snake was? My mistake .
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Archie Bottoms

**No, I have never scene an alterna is that what that but ugly snake was? My mistake .**

Then try not to make a seen here, ok? (also, it would be butt).
cheers!

I apologize and I was waiting for the (butt).I did not intend to be rude I guess I was.It looked and looks like (to me )that it could develop the same types of problems as the texas rat.I like normal snakes and hate morphs they destroy captive blood lines (in my opinion ).Most true alterna people feel the same way.I am not a alterna person tho I was at one time, and have captured a few over the years.To me the snake is unattractive as with most morphs.If this bothers you so much I apologize .The last time I checked we are not a communist country and I am allowed my opinion as well as to voice it.Next time I will try not to come off so rude.
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Archie Bottoms

**I apologize and I was waiting for the (butt).I did not intend to be rude I guess I was.It looked and looks like (to me )that it could develop the same types of problems as the texas rat.I like normal snakes and hate morphs they destroy captive blood lines (in my opinion ).Most true alterna people feel the same way.I am not a alterna person tho I was at one time, and have captured a few over the years.To me the snake is unattractive as with most morphs.If this bothers you so much I apologize .The last time I checked we are not a communist country and I am allowed my opinion as well as to voice it.Next time I will try not to come off so rude.**

You are entitled to your opinion, but there are perhaps better ways to go about stating it and particularly without trying to attribute physical flaws to the animal without any basis. What would cause you to believe that it 'looks like' it would develop the same types of problems other than its color? It is true that the TX rat has (or at least had) a problem with bilateral exopthalmia, but it was largely regarded as a result of inbreeding rather than a trait from the leucism. I don't believe any other leucistic snake has developed the same problem, so why would you believe the alterna would? I happen to differ from you in that I don't feel that morphs destroy captive bloodlines. How would they do that exactly? I too find beauty in wild types, but the two loves are not mutually exclusive and it doesn't make me a mean or evil person because I might light amels or hypos.

You can love what you will ,to me the snake looks bug eyed .I am glad you love what you do .I will not take that away .I simply think the snake is ugly and will always think it is ugly bug eyed or not.Any time a morph is involved it is inbreeding ,read it he inbred to produce this snake .I simply believe that a corn fed population of inbred morphs will destroy any population in captivity and be plagued with the problems already associated with inbred wild life .A genetic fact !!!!!!!!!!! The snake is a ugly inbred genetic mutant.If you like it, then do so, I do not .
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Archie Bottoms

**You can love what you will ,to me the snake looks bug eyed .I am glad you love what you do .I will not take that away .**

Because you think a snake looks bug-eyed does not make it so.

**I simply think the snake is ugly and will always think it is ugly bug eyed or not.**

It is fine if you think it is ugly. But to claim that one of the reasons it is ugly is because it is bug-eyed when it actually isn't is unfair.

**Any time a morph is involved it is inbreeding ,read it he inbred to produce this snake .**

Not true. What if two morphs are bred together that were hatched from different lines? Not inbreeding. I don't want to get into the differences between inbreeding and linebreeding. Plus, one can occasionally outcross to 'repair' any supposed damage by inbreeding.

**I simply believe that a corn fed population of inbred morphs will destroy any population in captivity and be plagued with the problems already associated with inbred wild life .**

How exactly are captive snake populations wild life? How are any populations of snakes in captivity not inbred, regardless of mutations? Wouldn't non-morphs be also corn fed and inbred? Do you feed your snakes only wild collected lizards/birds/deer mice? Also, how can the morphs destroy the captive population if there are those who don't breed the morphs into their collection? Do morphs destroy your population of snakes at your home?

**A genetic fact !!!!!!!!!!! The snake is a ugly inbred genetic mutant.If you like it, then do so, I do not.**

Not a genetic fact. Many breeds of domesticated animals are a result of inbreeding. Doesn't necessarily mean that they are inferior or less healthy. Also doesn't mean that these mutations harm the rest of the population.

You are reaching, must be your snake ,and it is butt fugly you know it I know it and all who have scene it knows it.By putting my posts ,in your posts and disecting them has shown you are the more intelligent in this conversation and I bow to your 200 IQ.Ok I do not have a right to my opinion isis would agree with you I am sure all populations are inbred corn fed mutants as is your snake here but they are all not as ugly as your snake is.Bottom line that is one ugly snake period !!!!!!!!!!!
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Archie Bottoms

Not my snake and don't have any. Did you read what I wrote? I agreed that it wasn't that special and if someone wanted a white snake just to get a lindheimeri. I'm not defending it, just morphs in general.

Ok I will say that some morphs are interesting its the price that Is crazy anry animals are interesting so are pattern anomolies its the whole albino craze and such.To me a king mountain mutt is twice as valuable as a lucy and more attractive .I will now stop as these posts will most likely be deleted soon any way.
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Archie Bottoms

There is scientific proof that wild populations interbreed with each other. Treir ranges overlap one another so eventually interbreeding occurs naturally. If I get what your saying, when people do this in captivity intentionally that isn't OK with you and the results are inbred muts? I suggest you become more educated on the subject before you start expressing your opinions as fact.

Wayne Sanders

Well Wayne I be still not taken a hankern toin that there bug eyed dillymahouchie,I ns thinkig it be one fugly lil critter could be good fish bait tho down to the crick .Itin hav ta be a fugly fish that wer ta eat it.Seeins it be so fugly Thankee tho.
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Archie Bottoms

I agree that it takes away the natural beauty of Alterna but the reteric could use a little maturity.

I apologize for my rudeness come on now that were funny
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Archie Bottoms

I'm interested to find out where I can read up on the fact that morph's are the result of inbreeding. I own anerythristic alterna that are the result of breeding two wildcaught adults. No inbreeding there.
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Steve W.

WOW, I can see having an opinion on somthing.. I too am not all that fond of all white snakes regardless of what they are.. But, before posting on a public forum you should stop to consider that someone actually ownes those animals and might be proud of the work that he put into his project..

There is a right and wrong way to state your feelings and I think your off base on this one.. Just my opinion...

~ Mike Russo

Sometimes being kind and being honest can be two different things... ever had your wife ask if she looks fat?
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Herp Conservation Unlimited

If people really learn from their mistakes, I should be like the smartest guy in the world

Sometimes being kind and being honest can be two different things... ever had your wife ask if she looks fat?

And no I am not calling anybody fat, it is just the "classic" question...
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Herp Conservation Unlimited

If people really learn from their mistakes, I should be like the smartest guy in the world

I know that I was and am rude I tried to apologize but my posts were being thrown at me.I SIMPLY AM TIRED OF MORPHS AND AM VERY SAD TO SEE A ALTERNA MORPH SO ARE OTHER PEOPLE.
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Archie Bottoms

I think other people can speak for themselves. I highly doubt that if you found a "morph" in the wild you would leave it there or exterminate it. Lets be honest.
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Steve W.

.......lots of people say they would not wnt a white greybanded...
lots of people even made comments about not even taking a pic of it if they saw it on the road...

truth......

we would all grab that snake quick as slick if we saw it...even in one of them there 10 foot wide state parks....

......yep.......

I'd grab it...breed it....brag about it....

and yes...it's just white....

(I do ball pythons...and no I don't have nor need white ones...well...one...I prefer the colors....but white sells....)...

think of the colored grey greybands you could buy with all the cash you'd make on a white one....???

....ever see the white Colombian rainbow boas?.......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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At this point I would probably shine lots of lights on it until an owl see's it. And that is not kidding... Not in the slightest. Ask my hunting buddy Lance.

Later,

StevenX

.......I said we are all different...
.....some people breed greybands for the "purist" form of snake breeding/keeping......
...some people breed cool snakes they like and try and add to the bank account as much as possible ...to continue to improve the collection...and add "purists" snakes to the deal....
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......greybands are one snake I never bred...owned a pair but didn't keep them long....soon I will get some and try again to actually procreate them.......so I can beg people to buy them?.....just like every other snake today.....

.....(by the way...the record for price at a show I saw on greybands was a few years ago.....non-local of course...just GB.....yea....$15......)...not cool for you ,me ,or them....

........I said I did not like the leucy GB look.....
but yet...I bet you like the patternless subocs? extreme red amel hogs?........hmmm???....

...have fun........!
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No,

Actually I like locality hogs and corns. We have 1 local of corns working on a second. We have 2 locals of western hognose.

Take Care,

StevenX

If you found a new "morph" you could name it off of something on the Starbucks menu like the ball python guys seem to do.

I think "frappachino" phase is still available?
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Herp Conservation Unlimited

If people really learn from their mistakes, I should be like the smartest guy in the world

How about frappamochacapachino
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Archie Bottoms

How about frappamochacapachino
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Archie Bottoms

That would just be making stuff up, it is a real science to name a new morph. (sarcasm for those that need the help)
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Herp Conservation Unlimited

If people really learn from their mistakes, I should be like the smartest guy in the world

np
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Archie Bottoms

I enjoy the variability in color and pattern you get from alterna, a plain white snake would rob that joy from working with the species for me.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited

If people really learn from their mistakes, I should be like the smartest guy in the world