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I have seen pictures of each, I just can't figure out the differences between the two?

If anyone knows of a good place for me to research this I would appreciate the heads up.

Thanks,
JWilmot

between columbian and peruvian??? jsut looks alone are a huge differance. the peruvian has ALOT brighter nicer colors along with a strong bold pattern as to the columbians are a nearly paternless rusty colored snake.
Argentines and Guyanas i personly think are two that are alot harder to tell the differance between or brazilians and peruvians are hard to tell differance between some time.

I am sure Dave Colling or Jeff Clark will chime in with some great info on this subject

Tim,

I'm sure you meant Columbians/Guyanans are tougher to tell apart as well as Brazilians/Peruvians?

late night posts are killin me. I think i need to start posting mid day when my brain is working instead of at 4 or 5 am.

Yes I agree with you both, I miss spoke.

I ment to say Brazilians/Peruvians. The research I have done indicates the Peruvians are a tad larger but I can't find any other difference?

JWilmot

Peruvian Rainbow Boas,Epicrates cenchria gaigei look similar to Brazilian Rainbow Boas,Epicrates cenchria cenchria. Peruvians often get larger and heavier. Older adults often have heads and necks that look larger and heavier then Brazilians. Both subspecies have a great deal of variation in color and pattern. Many Peruvians have thicker and darker dark markings. This is often most noticeable looking at the heads of the snakes. Peruvians have fewer and larger scales. This is most noticeable in big adults. The only sure method to tell them apart is by doing scale counts. Peruvians usually have 44 or fewer scale rows at midbody. Brazilians usually have 45 or more scale rows at midbody. Some Brazilians will have as many as 51 scale rows at midbody.

Thanks for the info.

I am thinking of going with a female for possible breeding.

Does anyone have any advice on PRB's or BRB's markings or colorings?

Probably not looking to invest more than about $300 in my first Boa untill im sure that I plan on breeding.

Is there any specific questions I should ask a breeder other than the basic health questions.

Sory for all the questions, I just want to make the correct decission with as much info as I can.

Thanks for the help,

JWilmot

From my experience with BRB's (do not have any known PRB's) it does not matter which sex to get first, unlike other species, males do not appear to mature earlier than females. Fro both sexes it seems the 2.5 year mark is about the earliest you can start a breeding cycle = 3 years from being born to producing offspring.

Quastiones for the breeder should include....

Parents - ask to see pics of the parents, While not 100$ certain, that will give you the best indication of the babies ultimate color.

Any lineage info, are the parents unrelated, fully related or something in-between? Sometimes animals that are related are bred together intentionally to bring out a trait or refine a look. While acceptable and in most cases just fine, it's important to know so you don't go to far with inbreeding.

What is the baby eating.

Health/sex gaurantees - does the breeder stand behind his animals?

IMO you should be able to pick up an outstanding BRB for under your $300 price.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (05/26/2009):
36.51 BRB
29.42 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

What kind of history does the breeder have on the specific animal you are contemplating? Full individual records or not? Feed, shed dates etc.

While talking to the breeder, what impression do you get? do they seem to love what they are doing and want to talk to you or are you just another source of income to them. How responsive are they to your questions and making sure you know what you need to properly care for one of these lil gems.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (05/26/2009):
36.51 BRB
29.42 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

my last (I hope)

Close proximity is always a huge plus, are they close enough so you go in person to pick out a baby or even meet at some local show?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (05/26/2009):
36.51 BRB
29.42 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thank you all for your input.

I am looking at a couple options localy.

I have a 55gal tank that should work for the first couple years and I am a woodworker as a hobby so when she outgrows that I can make her a larger home at that time.

There does not appear to be a lot of BRB breeders in the Kansas city area so I will probably have to get one out of state.

There is a reptile show in 2 weeks that I am going to go to and see what they have and meet some local breeders. I have already met the breeder who is hosting the show and have build a good relationship with him over the last couple of months. He indicated that he does not breed BRB's but has some friends in Florida who do.
So far everything he has said to me tracks with what I have read here from you all. And the animals he has are all good quality.

Once again thank you for you input,

JWilmot
PS: if anyone else has anything to add please feal free.