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First off is this pair of F1's from hyw 349 north of Dryden Texas (near Sanderson)milks.Many consider them celaenops and many consider them annulata/celaenops.Either way they arer what they are and show a little of both in my eyes.

The male.

The female

this is my w/c adult female.

this is my buddies w/c male.These snakes where collected about a mile apart in a spot where milks are hardly ever seen at all.

Here is a pair of f1 pure annulata that my buddy John Fraser produced this year.His w/c male he collected over 20 years ago and he is on the milk snake poster.The female was collected less than a mile from the male a few years ago.

my little male.

my little girl.

Hope you guys enjoyed them.

L8r
Shannon

Cool stuff there buddy!,....I dig those little guys.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

All awesome Shannon. That w/c female is about to burst!!! So, shall we call them celannulata's? I agree, whatever you decide to call them it sure won't be ugly!

How about annulatanops? hmmm
-Dell

Hwy 118 TX, celaenops

Dell, I like your name much better.

Those are agreeable looking little guys, and pretty sweet to have locality w/ them too.

-Dell

Shannon, I love the darker ones with WHITE white. Nice snakes, but the belly patterns would certainly be key right?? For those who dont know John Fraser has had incredible colubrids(milks especially) for years. That NM milk on the milksnake poster is still the best looking one I have ever seen.
In the early 90's I subscribed to his price list and "almost" ordered from him about 3-4 times..I was poor. I think John was the first one to captive breed Multistriata, as I am pretty sure he had the first for sale. I remember I got the list and immediately knew I wanted those only to have Walt Deptula beat me to em. Walt then got really into them, went out west collecting them, and took it up a knotch. The prices John asked was $40ea I think, Walt jacked em up to $300ea after he wrote that article and I have been waiting for those prices to go down.....for too many years,lol. So anyone questioning commercial practices, that's how you do it!

Jeff wrote the following regarding multistrata prices: "I have been waiting for those prices to go down.....for too many years,lol. So anyone questioning commercial practices, that's how you do it!"

Sure... says the guy selling $350 nominate triangulum... LOL By the way, the price HAS come down with Dell, Jeff H., and I working with them. We are able to offer neonate pairs for $250 to $500, depending on appearance, feeding response, and locality.

-Cole

L. t. multistrata - Yellowstone Co., MT. Animals found within 20 yards of each other, displaying localized variation.

This is the largest North American milksnake EVER photographed! Prove me wrong. Add a super-rare ISLAND locality and put your own value on it. LMAO.

>> "Walt jacked em up to $300ea"

Is Walt now in charge of governing oil prices too?..LOL!!

I think I remember seeing him at a reptile show, he was also selling "oil field" aka "grease" Cal. kings..LOL!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

all smokin' animals

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Doug L

you crack me up Doug with those pics.

Dave

Sweet. nice to have milks from a rare locality.

Dave

Those are beautiful animals, Shannon! Nice!

-Cole

I find some intergrade populations and their inherent variability to really be amazingly intriguing... both in the color/pattern spectrum as well as what 'visual' hints they betray toward their genealogical record. We need people to work with these just as hardily as those who work with more or less 'classic' locales. Great pairing you pulled off there.

Nice milks Shannon... I was just playing around with my celaenops from John... really nice to have some triangulum from 'alterna country.'