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Does anyone know the history of this morph?

Is this a CA boa trait bred into regular BCI?

The other question I have is really what I am most curious about.
If a hypo motley is bred can the normal motley neos have that
nice, dark, classic motley pattern?

Does the reduced pattern on the hypo motleys mean that none of
the non-hypo motley babies will have the normal motley look?

I've seen plenty of gorgeous hypo motleys but I'd like to know
more about how any potential non-hypo offspring will inherit
that motley pattern trait. Thanks...tc

Does anyone know the history of this morph?

Is this a CA boa trait bred into regular BCI?

**************No***********

The other question I have is really what I am most curious about.
If a hypo motley is bred can the normal motley neos have that
nice, dark, classic motley pattern?

**All depends on the parents. No one can really say for sure**

Does the reduced pattern on the hypo motleys mean that none of
the non-hypo motley babies will have the normal motley look?

***Again no one can say for sure, Hypo lacks PATTERN and PIG.**

I've seen plenty of gorgeous hypo motleys but I'd like to know
more about how any potential non-hypo offspring will inherit
that motley pattern trait. Thanks...tc

**They will all range, hands down. ***

Also if you breed a Hypo Motley to a Normal, you will get Hypo's
and Normal Motleys- No normals
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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is the only route to TRUE respect, anything else is unacceptable....

>>Does anyone know the history of this morph?

From what I understand and have read from other forums, Strickly Reptiles imported the first one it then went to Ron St. Pierre of BlueTegu.com he had bred it proved it genetic then Jeremy Stone picked up the project and that brings us to today where there are various Motley and Motley related morphs available.

>>Is this a CA boa trait bred into regular BCI?

Nope, there are CA Motleys and Columbian Motleys as well as Argentine Motleys.

>>I've seen plenty of gorgeous hypo motleys but I'd like to know
>>more about how any potential non-hypo offspring will inherit
>>that motley pattern trait

Just as in the other Response from what I understand a Hypo Motley x Normal will contain a litter of 50% Hypos and 50% Motleys, no hypo motleys and no normals.
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Brandon Nixon

that hypo motleys must all come from hypos paired with motleys or
hypo motleys paired with hypos.

Is it that correct?

The Motley Boa was imported and purchased by Ron st Peirre as a Colombian Boa
Ron produced the first litter ,Only 1 baby survived.

Then Jeremy Stone purchased the entire project and turned it into what it is today.

Also in about 2001 Jon Roylance produced a Motley Boa from
Colombian X Colombian breeding.
Not sure if that motley ever produced.

Then , Alex Barrero started the U.S. CA Motley imported from Europe
poossibly originating in Panama

Honduran boas in Europe produced some Motley's

Argentine Motley Boas (occidentalis) John Mack produced these from a
pair of Arg Boas he purchased from some guy in Tenn.

Hope that helps

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

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What no one has discussed is what happens when you try to put three or four genes on this one locus. Anybody out there with a live litter from a Hypo Motley X Motley and if so love to know the outcome... Those of you with a better understanding of genetics at this level please explain the outcome..

Al Brown/Brown's Boas

I'm a complete amateur when it comes to genetics, although.

First of all most traits do not reside on the same locus.

Second only 2 allele can reside on any locus in any animal
no matter what

That is why Super Hypo Super Motley does not work
4 allele on the same locus is an impossibility

That's my take on it.

I'm not the guy to go into the explanation to the rest of your question, LOL

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

Hypo Motley X Motley would give you assuming there were say 16 babies:

4- Super Motleys
4- Hypo Motleys
4- Motleys
4- Hypos
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Wouldnt there be a little more variety than that? Since only one parent has the hypo gene wouldnt it be fair to say that the other parents Motley genes and the hypo gene would come together. Maybe im incorrect on thinking so but I would venture to guess in a litter from a Hypo Motley to a Motley you would get:

Hypo Super Motleys
Super Motleys
Hypo Motleys
Motleys
Hypos

Not a breeding I have done however so I could tell you but im thinking those animals could be a possibility from that pairing?
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Brandon Nixon

The Hypo and the Motley gene are on the same gene. There is no such thing as a Hypo Super Motley.

When you breed a Hypo Motley with a normal the babies produced are either Hypos or Motleys. A Hypo Motley cannot produce normal offspring. The animal is essentially Homozygous for Hypo Motley but can only pass on one of those genes, Motley or Hypo, to the offspring.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

I understand a hypo motley can produce no normals. I also understand they are on the same gene what I was getting at was since one animal has both genes hypo and motley and the other just the motley gene I was thinking some of those babies resulting would get the double dose of motley and the hypo gene as well or for a Hypo Super Motley to be produced have to be the product of a Hypo Motley x Hypo Motley?
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Brandon Nixon

Think about a potential completed gene like four people playing musical chairs with only two chairs open. The Hypo Motley is represented by a Hypo guy and a Motley guy. The Motley is represented by a Motley gal and a normal gal. When the sperm and egg come together there are only two locations. Two chairs if you will. One chair MUST be taken by a gene contributed by the male or in this case either the Hypo guy or the Motley guy. The other chair MUST to taken by a gene contributed by the female or in this case either the Motley gal or the normal gal. Those are the only options. Nobody sits on somebody else's lap and there aren't three chairs available. Only two.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

I agree with Jeff. Here's how I think about it to help myself understand. Not sure if it will help everyone else though.

Take the 16 babies and first just work out the genetics from the hypo motley parent. 8 would be motleys and 8 would be hypos.

Now take these two groups and break them down further by introducing the genes from the motley parent.

Of the 8 motleys, half (or 4 or them) would get the motley gene from the motley parent creating 4 super motleys. The other 4 motleys would get the "normal gene" from the motley parent leaving them as normal motleys.

Of the 8 hypos, half of them would get the motley gene creating 4 hypo motleys. The other half get the "normal gene" leaving them as just hypos.

Total results:
4 super mots
4 mots
4 hypo mots
4 hypos

Hope that helps. It's how my weird brain works.

Matt

The Motley Gene is very hard to understand and this is what you should get with these breedings:

Hypo Motley X Normal= 50%-Hypo
50%-Motley

Hypo Motley X Hypo= 25%-Hypo
25%-Motley
25%-Super Hypo
25%-Hypo Motley

Hypo Motley X Motley= 25%-Hypo
25%-Motley
25%-Hypo Motley
25%-Super Motley

Hypo Motley X Hypo Motley= 16.6%-Hypo
16.6%-Motley
16.6%-Super Hypo
16.6%-Hypo Motley
16.6%-Super Motley
16.6%-Hypo Super Motley

Hypo Motley X Super Hypo= 50%-Super Hypo
50%-Hypo Motley

Hypo Motley X Super Motley= 50%-Super Motley
50%-Hypo Motley

Hypo Motley X Hypo Super Motley= 16.6%-Super Motley
16.6%-Hypo Super Motley
16.6%-Super Hypo Super Motley
16.6%-Hypo Motley
16.6%-Motley
16.6%-Super Hypo Motley

the main part of your question

>>>>> Does the reduced pattern on the hypo motleys mean that none of
the non-hypo motley babies will have the normal motley look?

I can't answer this from experience, I haven't produced any Motley's.

I believe the Motley's produced will mostly have a normal dark "Classic" Motley pattern

I believe it has more to do with the parents (grand parents) of the Hypo Motley and other Boa used
what they looked like and how their pattern is passed along.

If they were nice circle back type patterned parents chances are
those traits will be strong and passed along to grand kids

Producing nice classic Motley patterns

Hope that makes sense

The problem is the Hypo(or what comes along with it) can mess
with the pattern of normal Boas as well.

So those aberrant tendencies could affect normal Motley offspring
messing with the "Classic" Motley Pattern

That's just my guess and my take on it

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

All just theory!!!! I want to see a litter with two Motley parents one of which is Hypo.. Does the fact that stacking all these genes together result in dead litters or chromosomal abnormalities?????

I have been at this long enough to know what is supposed to happen genetically and that it usually doesn't.

Please Facts!!! I'm at the point that all the theory crap makes me sick!!!! Proof is in the pixs or video...

Al Brown/Brown's Boas

Hope everyone is getting ahold of this lol!!

MAN I LOVE GENETICS!!!!!!!!!
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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is the only route to TRUE respect, anything else is unacceptable....

If you have any of the animals in your collection... You should have thought of this already...Confusing or not it's a question that should have been asked and figured out awhile a go... Before people where in debt up to their eyeballs over some of these critters....

Al Brown/Brown's Boas

You asked -- "Anybody out there with a live litter from a Hypo Motley X Motley and if so love to know the outcome... Those of you with a better understanding of genetics at this level please explain the outcome.. "

This is from Big Mike's blog in '07 . That's when I first got wind that the Hypo / Motley combo was out of the norm . ---

July 27, 2007 - We had a pretty nice litter of Motleys today. We were hoping for more from this litter, but really can't complain with the outcome. We bred our Hypo Motley Het Anery X Motley female and got 1 Super Motley, 8 Hypo Motleys, 5 Motleys and 3 Hypos all 50% Poss Het Anery. No Hypo Super Motleys and no normals in this litter! All the babies are super healthy and the Super looks and feels nice and strong. The parents are completely unrelated and we hope that helps out this little Super Motley a bit. With all the litters that have been had so far out there, I am starting to believe you can not make a living Hypo Super Motley.

Link to the blog

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Snake room janitor

I'm not a motley guy at all so I haven't paid as close attention to alot of the breedings... Intresting that the gene seems to decide which way it wants to go as far as pairing with a the Hypo gene or Motley gene...

Anyone bred a motley back to a motley sibling and what was produced just wondering if anything could be lurking in there like the platinum ball project...

Fun Stuff...

Al Brown/Brown's Boas