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I just posted this but I don't think anybody have seen this but by my calculations this should be what you should get when breeding these-

Motley x Normal-

50%-Normal
50%-Motley

Motley x Hypo-

25%-Normal
25%-Hypo
25%-Motley
25%-Hypo Motley

Hypo Motley x Normal-

50%-Hypo
50%-Motley

Hypo Motley x Hypo-

25%-Hypo
25%-Motley
25%-Super Hypo
25%-Hypo Motley

Hypo Motley x Motley-

25%-Hypo
25%-Motley
25%-Hypo Motley
25%-Super Motley

Hypo Motley x Hypo Motley-

16.6%-Hypo
16.6%-Motley
16.6%-Super Hypo
16.6%-Hypo Motley
16.6%-Super Motley
16.6%-Hypo Super Motley

Hypo Motley x Super Hypo-

50%-Super Hypo
50%-Hypo Motley

Hypo Motley x Super Motley-

50%-Super Motley
50%-Hypo Motley

Hypo Motley x Hypo Super Motley-

16.6%-Super Motley
16.6%-Hypo Super Motley
16.6%-Super Hypo Super Motley
16.6%-Hypo Motley
16.6%-Motley
16.6%-Super Hypo Motley

Thanks and please tell me if I missed anything and if you have an opinion on this theory.

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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is the only route to TRUE respect, anything else is unacceptable....

If you read Jeff Ronne's musical Chair explanation about Motley X Hypo Motley.

Providing the Motley and Hypo gene do
reside on the same Locus

Jeff Ronne's musical Chair analogy will help many people understand
why a Hypo Super Motley is a complete impossibility.

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I respect that theory but life has a lot of impossiblitys which become possible and nobody will know until these breedings do take place and at no disrespect to anybody but the word impossible is not a word I know or understand until proven wrong.

Thanks

About the Motley x Hypo Motley they should not produce any hypo super motleys but only- hypo,motley,hypo motley and super motleys should be produce so yes that does make sence in that sence but hypo motley x hypo motley should and probely will produce hypo super motleys.

Thanks.

I agree with that...I understand how the Hypo Motley x Normal produced only one or the other...

I will agree with you and say that I too believe a Hypo Super Motley can be produced....it would be interesting to find out what produced Jeremys "Red Devil"...I know it didnt survive but I would guess that outcrossing could help with that...
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Brandon Nixon

I plan on breeding a Hypo Motley het albino to an Albino Motley this season.. If things go nicely and I get a litter, I will be sure to post pics..

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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is the only route to TRUE respect, anything else is unacceptable....

Good luck to you this season and just for fun please tell me when you do this pairing if you get this -

12.5%-Hypo het. Albino
12.5%-Sunglow
12.5%-Motley het. Albino
12.5%-Albino Motley
12.5%-Hypo Motley het. Albino
12.5%-Sunglow Motley
12.5%-Super Motley het. Albino
12.5%-Albino Super Motley

Please tell if you anything different from this

Thanks.

I just hope my 2007 girl is old and big enough..

There is one possibility and this is it; There have been many spontaneous "Super Motleys" produced. This is when only one parent is a Motley and a Super Motley pops out, at least what looks like a Super Motley, if that animal is actually only Heterozygous for the Motley trait and for some unknown reason it walks like a duck (Super Motley), talks like a duck (Super Motley), looks like a duck (Super Motley), and has the exact same health issues of a duck (Super Motley), then that animal could in fact ALSO carry the Hypo gene revealing the illusive and possibly headless, "Red Devil". I have never seen more than a tiny segment of the alleged Red Devil which has always left me wondering exactly why not. I am sure there are pictures of the entire animal, but I have not seen them.

So it is my opinion that the Red Devil may actually be possible, but only under the scenario as I described it above. This is at least with the tiny bit of knowledge that my meager experience has taught me. Consider this; I think we have a very very limited understanding of what is really possible. By "we" I mean the entire scientific world. There is MUCH that is not known. Far more than is known.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

I agree with what you say and the Super Motley popping out of a Motley x Normal is in my opinion a loose gene witch I believe that when Jeremy Stone bred the Motleys back to one another in the first generation it de-linked this gene and made all of it's offspring have this missing link and the only reason I think why clone Super Motleys pop out of one motley parent litters is this gene skipping and premature neonates is what pops out. Also why the motley gene and hypo gene doesn't work together like it should is because of this de-linked gene but this is my opinion.

Thanks.

Understand when I say impossibility I'm talking about "in theory"
and I'm going on the scenario and speculation that the Hypo and
Motley gene do reside on the same Locus.

Being that only two genes can inhabit any one locus position
this idea only makes sense.

a Hypo Super Motley would be an impossibility.

If all the speculation is wrong and some other genetic anomaly is occurring.

That of course is a whole new Ball game.

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz