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Jungle question

Pithons Oct 30, 2009 10:47 AM

Question about the Jungles.. Im not talking about the super jungles, cause they all look really funky, I have a question about the Jungles.. Why is that some jungles(or pos jungles) look just like a normal. While other jungles have just crazy patterns. Do crazy pattern jungles produce crazy pattern babies, or is it just random. Once you start mixing morphs, how can you tell what is what. Say you bred a hypo jungle to a motley and produce hypo jungle motleys, jungle motleys, hypo jungles, hypo motleys.. How does one tell the difference.

PS- What does a hypo motley jungle X Hypo Motley Jungle make??
IMO those are the best looking snakes.. Anyone have any pics?

Replies (3)

mdc Oct 30, 2009 11:57 AM

I don't know the answers to all your questions, but from what I've seen, the crazy jungles seem to produce more crazy jungles on average. I'm hoping this guy will pass on his striping (jungle het albino).

Matt


TopNotchBoas Oct 30, 2009 01:48 PM

And I think many breeders are far too liberal in what they choose to label a jungle.

When jungles commanded a very high price I think buyers were more critical. They weren't going to drop 5k on an animal unless it was clearly different/special. Fast forward to now, lower prices, people arent as critical. Breeders dont have to be as conservative in their labelings... which maximizes profit but at a cost. I think in the end we're going to have a number of people breeding their supposed 'jungles' only to yield a litter of normals that bear a slight resemblance to jungles (via the polygenic makeup of the bloodline). At that point they can conclude that either A. their original animal was not actually a jungle or B. The litter is low expression jungles. If its the latter they would subjectively pick out what they believe to be jungles and sell them as such. Perpetuating a cycle of mis-labeled normals.

So I think that's part of the issue why you see so many 'jungles' that look like normals.

The other part is just that some jungles truly are low expression. I think its possible that a jungle can be so low expression that its almost impossible to even tell. The only way for us to really make a solid determination would be lots of trial and error of breeding supposed jungles with confirmed jungles to produce "super jungles". After many such trials we could more effectively pin down which traits / or degree of traits that truly define a jungle. In the mean time its all subjective. One 'pro' jungle breeder may call an animal a jungle while another 'pro' jungle breeder may not. Unfortunately, due to the nature of mutation, its probably going to stay like that for a good while.
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AbsoluteApril Nov 02, 2009 02:16 PM

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