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The pr. of het. pieds I'm getting are coming from a reputable breeder w/paperwork and all but,what a some markers to look for?Thanks in advance!! Jeff

Not all het pieds have markers. You just have to trust the person you are buying them from.

Hi,

Here will be the best way to know you have an actual Het Pied before you prove it out 4 years from now. If it stops eating every 6 months for about 2 to 3 months at a time, you know you have the real deal.

Good Luck,
Bill
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2.1 Tripple Het Caramel, Orange Ghost, Genetic Stripe
1.1 Het Lavenders
1.1 Het Caramel Albino
0.1 Het Albino
0.1 Spider Het Albino
0.1 Het Pied
1,1 Pastel Het for Orange Ghost
1.0 Albino
0.1 Spinner
1.1 Super Pastel
0.1 Jungle Pastel
1.0 Pied 50 percent White
0.1 Clown
0.3 Normal
1.1 Kids
0.1 Spouse
1.0 Chocolate Lab

I second this, lol.
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Lincoln, NE
0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.1 Normals, 1.0 Thayeri, 0.1 Thayeri X Alterna, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

Not much of a real indication..I have a normal female who only eats at that rate, no matter what I do (short of starting to shove food down her throat)
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PHLdyPayne

My het pieds are eating machines just like any of the my others. And yes I've produced pieds from my hets.

Good luck with them!

~Jason

Wow. Sorry about your luck. My het pieds bred at 30 months old, producing 9 eggs and hatching 4 pieds. They bred again the next season producing 8 eggs and 4 more pieds.

The original pair of pieds I held back from the first clutch gave me a nice fertile clutch of 5 pieds this year as well as the original female het which threw 13 fertile and 6 pieds.

The male pied began breeding at 18 months old and has sired clutches from pastels, pieds, het pieds, and pewters. I have never had feeding issues with any of my pieds or hets....unless they had the PASTEL gene mixed in. Every pastel I've ever owned has been a problematic feeder from about 800 grams on.

Maybe you just need a different line of pieds?
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

Pied markers look something like this:

1. Solid black striping down both sides of the snake
2. Clear white belly scales between the stripes
3. Some people think the orange ringer is on these snakes are good indicators as well.

The snake pictured above is not a het pied but has all the het pied markers - so just because the snake has the markers doesn't mean it's a het pied.

Also a lot of het pieds do not carry the marker.

Congratulation on your new additions!
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Tosha
JET Pythons
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Herp Medicine does not equal a bottle of Baytril - Dr. Scott Stahl

Have you bred it to known pied line to be sure? Maybe your and PHLdyPayne's are undiscovered het pieds like that one I think it was Justin K produced the surprise pastel pied with.

I picked up a pet store girl with pretty good markings once and she didn't prove so wouldn't surprise me at all if that one wasn't a het but just curious if you where basing the statement that it's not het pied only on not being a known het pied.

I have bred mom and some holdbacks to my pied and have bred holdbacks with "markers" together and back to mom.

The belly is without doubt genetic and appears in most offspring there are usually one or two in a clutch that also have the orange ringer belly - but there is no pied to be found.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

Herp Medicine does not equal a bottle of Baytril - Dr. Scott Stahl

Thanks for following it through and reporting.

Very unfortunate that there are genetic lookalikes that aren't het pieds and sounds like maybe don't even have a homozygous morph of their own.

Something else people tend to overlook is the yellowish-orange belly smudging that I also consider a het Pied "marker". Over the last 5 years, 100% of all hets I've produced have had it, and the correct portion of my 66% possible hets have had it.

All of my Pastle het Pieds have the smudging as well on what should be a clear white belly. This year in fact I saw one that had a completely pastel yellow belly, where the belly color was indistinguishable from the lateral and dorsal yellow. Could be from the Pastel gene, but I'm leaning more toward the pied gene.

I do however agree that not all 100% hets have the markers. I think the general rule is to look for pos. hets that have the markers. With the number of pieds being produced and the relative low cost of hets, who would consider pos. hets.
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www.brandonosbornereptiles.com

Don't get to hooked up on markers!! I've produced several pieds from females that have no markers!!