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Figuring out the morph on this one. My holdback from my Bell line patternless goini/brooks hypo x ghost brooks. This one is the only male and looks very very different from his sisters. All these should be hypo het ghost if the Bell line HYPO and the ghost line HYPO are the same. Sadly its a male, otherwise test breeding it back to the male would be easy.... Any ideas?? The yellow doesnt come through well on my camera, he's got more color in person. Thanks in advance.

She has alot more color and pattern and looks like what I had expected.

Posted by: jeff schofield at Tue Nov 10 00:16:20 2009 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email Message ] [ Show All Posts by jeff schofield ]

Figuring out the morph on this one. My holdback from my Bell line patternless goini/brooks hypo x ghost brooks. This one is the only male and looks very very different from his sisters. All these should be hypo het ghost if the Bell line HYPO and the ghost line HYPO are the same. Sadly its a male, otherwise test breeding it back to the male would be easy.... Any ideas?? The yellow doesnt come through well on my camera, he's got more color in person. Thanks in advance.

Hey Jeff, It Definitly looks Hypo and i would think the Bell line is from the Floridana line of hypo so, are the females hypo as you said they look different.I would assume them to be hypo if your ghost is a ghost, anyhow sums up to a nice looking approx 3/4 Hypo Brooks,Take it easy Chris

Chris, look at him compared to his sisters. (Another in pic)They have the typical HYPO look, is he sexually dimorphic or is there another gene at work? Could this be the ghost form?? Would have thought the yellow would be removed. I think there is something additional with the father, more trials I guess.

As Rainer and foxturtle said below, Hypos are variable and the Goini influence makes some Really COOL and interesting "Taints", It Taint a Brooks and it Taint a Goini. It Tis a Beautiful find in a box of Chocolates.Congrats.C

Looks just like a lighter hypo to me. Sometimes crossing the easterns and goiinis produce stuff like this.
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In Brooksi there are light yellow hypos, and darker red-orange hypos. This is probably what you are seeing in your crosses. That snake is still yellow and still has orange coloration. A ghost would look nearly colorless.

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I know what a ghost looks like. But I dont think variability alone accounts for this. I know the Bell line of hypos produces patternless ones like my adult male(see pic), has anyone taken this line an additional generation?? Patternlessness is sexually dimorphic in Goini, and was wondering if this doesnt play a part.

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I do know that there is also usually sexual dimorphism in brooksi when it comes to lightness, and the amount of yellow coloration too. So this could also have played out there as well.

Don't ever discount weird off-the-wall stuff that just happens from time to time, genetics sometimes doesn't need a reason to do things, it just does it with no rhyme or reason. This happened to me this year too with some nice non-morph brooks offspring.

This bizarre crazy looking youngster was produced by my nice yellow 100% floridana pair. It looks NOTHING like a typical brooksi whatsoever, but yet it is one, and it certainly happened.

~Doug

here's the parents(sib to sib breeding)

and here's the totally weird aberrant offspring(looks goini, but AIN'T). 100% brooks, 100% weird, and 100% cool!

here's another sibling of the above weirdo. If these were put on a table, and I told you these were siblings, you would say I was full of it, but indeed they are sibs.

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Doug, I understand anything is possible its just the ODDS genetically can be altered...thats what we do in captivity. In your case you know your snakes are sib/sib, if the parent was(or both)you start to dramatically increae said odds. Reproducing your oddball will be dramatically increased again if you breed it with a parent or sib, simple math. In the case of the Bells' line, its likely 5-7 generations inbred/crossbred so anything CAN be produced. My question really is has anyone else bred these and kept records to try and figure out what is possible? The unpredictable is nice, but genetic study tries to predict the outcome. The "value" in cool specimens isnt just what they are its in the predictable production of offspring.

Yeah, I dig all that as well Jeff, I just threw it in there for whatever it was worth.

I'm sure you want to know EXACTLY what the deal is there if at all possible, just like I or anybody else would.

later, ~Doug
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...remember this guy??

He was produced from a pair like yours a few years back.
There were varying degrees of this "goini-ness" in the clutch and several normal looking "brooksi" too.
You just don't know how far reaching the "experiments" of the past are in hobby snakes.
:Mark

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Yeah, they look about identical.

~Doug
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I really like the head on that snake!
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Good luck with this project. It should produce some killer looking animals. I have had not luck with this male. He runs from everything that he comes in contact with. It's been a very frustrating project to say the least.

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