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These are all some future breeders except for the Hypo-E Mex Mex....I'm going to try him out next year....He's pretty big for a 2008 Mexicana....26" and loosing red with every shed....

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I like the 2nd and 9th...I love snakes with a lot of yellow on them.
I'd kill for a high yellow (hyperxanthic?) florida king morph.

>>I like the 2nd and 9th...I love snakes with a lot of yellow on them.
>>I'd kill for a high yellow (hyperxanthic?) florida king morph.
Thanks.....I can't wait for them to reach adulthood and start reproducing.....2012 is a long way off....lol

How about a HIGH yellow Amel Holbrooki?

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

where the heck did you find that thing?!?! awesome!

>>where the heck did you find that thing?!?! awesome!

Thanks....
I picked her up along with a Lavender Albino female from Mike at Isis.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

WOW! dude!,.......if THAT ain't high-yellow, I don't know what is!

That's the yellowest amel "speck" I've ever seen,....very cool!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

>>WOW! dude!,.......if THAT ain't high-yellow, I don't know what is!
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>> That's the yellowest amel "speck" I've ever seen,....very cool!

I agree Doug...It is teh Yellowest Amel Speck I've ever seen as well. That is the reason for my post about 10 or so threads down. I wanted to see more pics of them before I posted this one. I like the way you can see the Yellow Pattern under the yellow ground color on her....
I am going to pair her up with my male Double Het for WhiteWall and Amel this coming year....I really want to see what more amels and the normal "hets" will look like.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yes, that could produce some very interesting looking youngsters for sure.

good luck with that project!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Nice John.
As we've seen there are huge differences within specks,blacks, and deserts.
Think that awesome yellow is from a bit more nigra influence?
Cool!
:Mark
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>>Nice John.
>> As we've seen there are huge differences within specks,blacks, and deserts.
>> Think that awesome yellow is from a bit more nigra influence?
>> Cool!

I think you may be right Mark....
Where I'm from we see Splendida influence with Holbrooki and vice versa.....I never thought of Nigra until you mentioned it, but why isn't the absence of black replaced with white as with most amels?
I can see the yellow Holbrooki pattern under the yellow ground color.....Makes me think colors are in patterned layers.....Hmmm

This would describe how an amel tricolor has brighter red and yellow, but still why are the "black" bands on an amel white?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I certainly don't know where Isis' line originated, but that is always a possibility, but I'm sort of wondering if it isn't just from an exceptionally yellow holbrooki(like some of Todd's, etc..), then when the melanin is removed, it just completely left the underlying yellow pigment that was totally throughout the entire snake, so now not only the belly is a strong yellow, but so is the entire dorsum. These other lighter speck lines could simply be from lighter cream/beige bloodlines instead, since there is huge variation involved with them, and all the other neighboring ssp. for that matter too.

Amels that display strong yellow coloration(and other colors too, pinks, yellows) are fairly common, just as in certain nelsoni(Tim Spuckler's for example), and even Honduran's and others, at least to some degree. The idea that an amel snake has to be white once the melanin is no longer present is just not always so at all. Amelanism would ONLY remove the black, brown, and gray coloration, nothing else. Many times there are other additional underlying pigment(s) in a snakes color scheme that are exposed when there is a complete absence of melanin.

Also, the extremely yellow nelsoni individuals do not start out this way as hatchlings, but rather display a gradual ontogenetic change over time as they mature. I have done a fair amount of reading about the different pigment cells(chromatophores), and what colors they can be responsible for.

The ongoing yellowing in animals is often caused by caratinoid retention. Individual animals can have a certain genetic pre-disposition for doing this, and are known to retain much more of this than others, which allows the pigment cells to continue developing more and more yellow coloration as it ages throughout it's life. This is what I and others suspect is going on with these individuals that get much yellower later on in life, just as those incredibly yellow nelsoni individuals that Tim has. Same thing with a few Honduran's I have as well. They started out white too, and now they have a greenish/yellow cast to their once-white color scheme.

So either it had the underlying yellow pigment to begin with, or it developed more yellow as it got older, both of which are fairly common in amels.

Anyway, I'll say it again, that is one nice high-yellow animal!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

>> Also, the extremely yellow nelsoni individuals do not start out this way as hatchlings, but rather display a gradual ontogenetic change over time as they mature. I have done a fair amount of reading about the different pigment cells(chromatophores), and what colors they can be responsible for.
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>> The ongoing yellowing in animals is often caused by caratinoid retention. Individual animals can have a certain genetic pre-disposition for doing this, and are known to retain much more of this than others, which allows the pigment cells to continue developing more and more yellow coloration as it ages throughout it's life. This is what I and others suspect is going on with these individuals that get much yellower later on in life, just as those incredibly yellow nelsoni individuals that Tim has. Same thing with a few Honduran's I have as well. They started out white too, and now they have a greenish/yellow cast to their once-white color scheme.

Thanks for sharing that info...I am aware of many amel tricolors' white turning yellow....Some amel Ruthveni do as well.
Maybe I'll have to hold back some of the amels she produces to see if they turn yellow or not....That is if they aren' out of the egg.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yeah, that would be really interesting. I guess you don't know where any hatchling pics are of his bloodine, like a website or whatever. If not, maybe you could get in touch with him somehow and ask him too. I know I would be interested in knowing any of this.

Either way, those exceptional guys are certainly worth making more of the same, no matter how they do it, that's for sure!..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Whoah! Gotta put up more pix of that snake, man!

reako45

John, give us an overall view of that thing, DAYUM!
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Todd Hughes

Those Thayeri and those Mex Mex are knockouts!

reako45