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So lets get all the BIG DOGS up on this. I was told by Damian
Salgado that is is 50% Panimanian / 50% Hogg. I believe that is
true, but I also believe it is a Phenotype as well. Some can be
"Super Hypo Hoggs" and some are "Sunsets".

Here is the tricky part.

Panimanian Hypo x Albino= Calico Dad

Hypo Panimanian x Hogg = Mom

Confused. Yes I am! Also I think the Calico Daddy and Damians
Paradox Albino het Anery are Brother(s) or Cousins. The great
and AWESOME thing is that His Paradox Albino proved out to the
odds of 50%'ish ratio. That makes me think that my little guy
being 50% het Albino might have a slight chance of being het
Anerythristic.

So..... my little guy is 50% Panimanian, 25% Hogg, 25% Colombian
Calico/Paradox.

I hope you guys see where I am coming from. Any Imputs?

Here he is

Thanks for looking and for those who respond.... THANKS!!
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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is the only route to TRUE respect, anything else is unacceptable....

Kenny,

You've brought this discussion up many times before on this and other forums. You've heard from "the big dogs" I don't see why you need to bring this up yet again??

Amie

Sorry about that. I brought it up on 1 other Forum, and everyone
has a different answer. It went from 50-50 Hogg/Pan to a Pheno
type. I just feel that it should be decided because the origin
ator has said BOTH when other 'crosses' have been into play. It
is kinda difficult to swallow 4k on an 'Undecided' morph. We all
need to be on the SAME PAGE with morphs, not 'IMO's'. Sorry I
just like to be thorough and even though it is just money, it was
something that was almost a trick. Mine more/less looks like a
Super Hypo with a splash of a smoke T look. Not like the ones
on above thread.

Thanks Amie for the response, and I have to keep asking until I
feel everyone is on the same page. I think it is wrong to change
bloodlines to 'Phenotypes' just to make a sale. I am satisfied
but I myself would never give someone possible false info just
to make a sale. It would be bad business/respect.

I hope I did not offend you in any way Amie, just wanting answers
from people with a higher reputation (harder ground)to speak out
so in the future this does not happen again. Mine in NO WAY is a
Sunset, he is the lightest Super I have seen to date, but again
not a Sunset.
God Bless
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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is the only route to TRUE respect, anything else is unacceptable....

I don't think you're going to get everyone one the same page on this topic, no matter how many times you try.

Amie

You've heard from Damian and you've heard from Paul Mitchell. They are the two people that coined the term "sunset" for boas....you can't really go up much higher than that.

If you're trying to ask other people their thoughts on this topic than you are in fact getting their opinion...sometimes you have to be happy with "IMO"

Amie

If that is what you say IMO is, I could call a Hypo a Normal
BCI (knowing it is a Morph)- just wrong and misguided info that
can confuse people down the road. I have never talked to Paul
just Damian. D is a good guy but a Phenotype and a 'cross' are 2
totally different areas when reguarding the Sunset Morph. I would
only get Sunsets from Damian (have not seen Pauls stock)but I
bought into a new project which is sweet, but he is what is named
a 'Possible het for Sunrise' (Albino Sunsets), but putting any
type of Colombian blood into the Sunsets would just make them a
mixed Super Hypo, correct?? Yes there is a chance of being het
Anerythristic (hearsay) but stated that Sunset Boas are 50-50
crossed Panimanian/Hogg Orangetail Super Hypo. He is 50% het for
Albino, and also Calico (Paradox on a Normal body). Everybody
has their own opinion on how genetics work, but in MOST CASES
it is Black and White (Co, R).
With the splash of Hogg (not 50%), my little guy is more like his "Candy Cane" Line (Sunglow Paradox w/ 50% Pan/ Col blood.)

There is multiple genetics at play in my case, I love my Boa
either way and he will breed to my Poss Hypermel female who is
what I belive a Longicauda x CA cross Hyper. I am hoping the
Calico and the Hypermel are related and makes something new to
the awesome Industry, related genetically.

Do you see where I am coming from or am I digging too deep? I
HAVE TO HAVE correct knowledge when reguarding these precious
animals, I wish Damian would chime in, but I have been trying to
get concrete info on my male ( I passed the sister on to a good
friend w/ a breeder contract)let alone get pics of the Dame to
my Calico. He is a very busy guy, but I am in the dark here about
what exactly I have (Calico Sunset- named, or Candy Cane). Who
knows. In having correct knowledge means I can help others with
questions reguarding genetics without the possibility of being
wrong.
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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is the only route to TRUE respect, anything else is unacceptable....

Paul responded to the Reptileinsider discussion. So you have heard from him.

Amie

Paul didn't respond to your discussion....he was part of someone else's.

My bad.

Amie

You are not getting defensive in a negative way. I in NO WAY am
trying to start a Genetic War, just answers. Everyone knows
Sunsets are 50% Hogg 50% Pan Super Hypo's, or maybe not everyone
knows. Go to DMBreeders.com and check out his Candy Cane Line.
He more fits that criteria than True Sunsets IMO. Maybe the same
female was used hence is why I have not gotten any pics since
7-??-08. Maybe he has a secret project going that 'investers'
dont and wont know about until they are produced...? I just like
to know what I have and not second guess it. As I see it, he is
a Multi-crossed Super Hypo Calico poss triple het. He does not
fit the criteria for the DM Sunset. Again, more the Candy Cane
side.

Do you possibly know something I dont know? I feel Gulf Coast
has it right by calling some Sunsets and some Super Hypo Hoggs
all in the same litter. Then you go back to asking why is there
Colombian blood if he is a Sunset? Sunrise? Candy Cane? Just a
Calico Super Hypo poss het? I feel I was either mis-understood
or was told somewhat false info (not saying D is a Liar, but he
has a lot of projects, maybe with the 100's of babies, he got
confused??) I guess only time will tell on this one
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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is the only route to TRUE respect, anything else is unacceptable....

I'm not defensive at all. Today's mood is apathetic. It's a nice warm Saturday and I have things to do, so honestly, I have no intention on getting into any argument with anyone today....

I was just trying to say don't get your hopes up finding a definitive answer on the great sunset debate.

I plan on checking back on Monday to see where the discussion goes...

Have a nice weekend Kenny!

Amie

Thanks for the company/responses. This morph can be taken a lot of different ways lol!!
You have a great weekend too!! GOD Bless
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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is the only route to TRUE respect, anything else is unacceptable....