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snake any help would be appreicated. I got a young bull from a snake dealer that is very light with peach down the body and i am trying to find out if its a bull a gopher or a interbreed. Thanks for any help i have gotten no responses on the pit board. I am very familiar with green trees and corns but am now getting in to bulls.

Without seeing the snake it is a difficult thing to determine. however, I am going to take a step back and tell you what an old herper told me when I asked the question. "Common names are "BS". they change from town to town." That being got out of my system...Roughly put...Eastern USA=pinesnake, Central=Bullsnake, Western=Gophersnake. Color variation can occur in litters or various populations. Intergrades are extremely common in nature where all species meet. Plus the other great devil popping up...all the designer breeding (Pinexbull etc... plus pattern and color anomalies) is further obscuring the lines. Many hybrids out there look so close to one or the other of their parent species that it makes it almost impossible to key. I'm bringing this up because you bought this at a show. If it were wild caught this would be simpler. Try to post a photo if you can....Frank

It was wild caught in west texas a little south of big bend. I am trying to get a camera to put up a pic. But thanks for the info, it looks hypo with black saddles?

If the locality info you received is accurate it should be a sonoran gopher.
Chris

Should be a handsome devil....congrats. Frank

And she is a real beauty! I will get pics as soon as possible. Thanks again, scott