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And....I think someone (Eric) mentioned something about orange belly scales down a few posts....
I hatched out a few Splendida that had orange ventrals at birth that turned yellow....And Many years ago some of my Calkings had some orange ventral spots that later turned yellow...

Does anyone have a picture of an adult Lavender Holbrooki?

As I remember the only ones I have ever seen never really speckled out like a "wild-type"...Now some would say that it is due to Splendida influence. I do not think that is the reason....It is just a pattern variation as with the WhiteWalls not having a "normal" looking dorsal pattern it is affected by the WhiteWall gene.....

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yes, it was me that metioned the orange bllied specs and deserts and the natural hybrids between them sometimes have it too. But there are some specs in the East Coast are of TX East of Houston that take the cake. The bellies are more red/orange than and not even yellow.
I cant get the link to post right and I think the pics may be copy righted. But if you guys would go to google and put in "speckled king red bellied" then click the image button the pic of the hatchling with the red belly should pop up. Eric

>>Yes, it was me that metioned the orange bllied specs and deserts and the natural hybrids between them sometimes have it too. But there are some specs in the East Coast are of TX East of Houston that take the cake. The bellies are more red/orange than and not even yellow.
>>I cant get the link to post right and I think the pics may be copy righted. But if you guys would go to google and put in "speckled king red bellied" then click the image button the pic of the hatchling with the red belly should pop up. Eric

Eric I more than believe you....As I live in a HUGE area of Splendida / Holbrooki intergration. I have hatched both Splendida, Holbrooki and Intbetweeners with the orange bellies. I also think that range map is a little off with the Holbrooki range.....It creeps down the coast to just north of Copano Bay.
I only know this from the wild specimens my buddy Todd has encountered/collected.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

You are probably right about the range. You have to take all range maos with a grain of salt as they are just really more or less about the range they are found at. You can find many range maps and all of them say something a little or even a lot different.
Also a holbrooki will not stop wondering as soon as it gets to the range maps border. LOL
If you have hatched out a number of them I am sure you have seen plenty of variations. Eric

If so, yeah, this is BIG-TIME orange/red!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

>>If so, yeah, this is BIG-TIME orange/red!

That sure looks like an South East Texas (Houston & East) Holbrooki hatchling to me.....The Orange will turn a deep yellow as an adult.....Similar the pic of Todd's I posted a few times.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That is exactly the pic I was talking about! I tried to post it and never could. I got so frustrated trying to post it but it would not copy for me. Maybe I just don't know how to post pics to this forum the right way yet. Thanks for getting it though. Eric

Yeah, that looks like a true speck hatchling if there ever was one. Especially since hatchling specks aren't as speckled as their adult counterparts either, but tend to later as they mature. The orange I know is typical for many too.

That's a handsome little tike!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

>>Yeah, that looks like a true speck hatchling if there ever was one. Especially since hatchling specks aren't as speckled as their adult counterparts either, but tend to later as they mature. The orange I know is typical for many too.

Thanks Doug...
Have you got any adult pics of a Lavender Speck?
All the ones I've seen do not speckle out.....Like a normal or het.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

No, I wish I did. But as you mentioned before, there could be some individual strain-related reasons for that particular line not speckling out quite like some others typically do.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

i saw these for the first time this year a friend of mine has a large group of them and had real spotty info about them i will check with him about it. i dont think they are lavenders i have always called the amel specks lav.albino because the white is usally lav. as a baby but lavender does suit these as they are really purpley, my buddy has adults and babies and his adults didnt/havnt speckled out that much either,though some had the screamin yellow and some were more cream if i remember correctly he said they came from n.tx/ok area but i will check with him and see exactly what info he has. they are really cool very much like the blueeyed blonde mutation... do you know where yours come from?
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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>>i saw these for the first time this year a friend of mine has a large group of them and had real spotty info about them i will check with him about it. i dont think they are lavenders i have always called the amel specks lav.albino because the white is usally lav. as a baby but lavender does suit these as they are really purpley, my buddy has adults and babies and his adults didnt/havnt speckled out that much either,though some had the screamin yellow and some were more cream if i remember correctly he said they came from n.tx/ok area but i will check with him and see exactly what info he has. they are really cool very much like the blueeyed blonde mutation... do you know where yours come from?

I was told years back that the lavender strain was found in the wild in Louisiana....
I am one to think that the lavender is just an degree of hypomelanism....
I know whos bloodline my lavender is from but not it's locale unless I could ask Lloyd Lemke where the founding stock was captured.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

John, I am pretty sure the first lavender speck was captured in either Chalmette, or Arabi, St. Bernard Parish, LA. Tim Ricks from St. Bernard was heavily into the brooks, speck, and goini morphs 10 plus years ago, and may have been the one to capture the first lavender. If not mistaken, I believe it is a form of hypomelanism. It has been about that many years since I have seen one in person and up close, so I cannot recall what their patterns/belly colors looked like for sure. I think it was a yearling sized snake and was pretty normally speckled like typical South LA specks, maybe some light crossbanding. Of course, this area is no where near the splendida/holbrooki integrade zone. I can't swear by it, but KJUN Snakehaven may have one or two St. Bernard LA bloodline lavender specks in his collection.

>>John, I am pretty sure the first lavender speck was captured in either Chalmette, or Arabi, St. Bernard Parish, LA. Tim Ricks from St. Bernard was heavily into the brooks, speck, and goini morphs 10 plus years ago, and may have been the one to capture the first lavender. If not mistaken, I believe it is a form of hypomelanism. It has been about that many years since I have seen one in person and up close, so I cannot recall what their patterns/belly colors looked like for sure. I think it was a yearling sized snake and was pretty normally speckled like typical South LA specks, maybe some light crossbanding. Of course, this area is no where near the splendida/holbrooki integrade zone. I can't swear by it, but KJUN Snakehaven may have one or two St. Bernard LA bloodline lavender specks in his collection.

Thanks Kevin....I remembered that KJ had some lavenders from St. Bernard Parish but I did not know that Tim Ricks was the one who possibly captured a lavender in the wild....cool.
I did find some adult pics of KJ's on the net but I wonder if anyone else has some adult pics of them.....I did not know they were rather scarce....

Thank you again....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

You are welcome John! Its funny you mention that they seem rare to find now, but 10-15 years or so ago the lavender specks were one of the "next big morphs" at the herp expos that were just getting started in the Louisiana area. I wouldnt say they were uber popular, but were definitely pricey and you could find them for a while between 1996ish to probably about 2003 fairly easily. Usually Tim Ricks was the one who had them if I remember correctly, and he was pretty prominent locally with his brooksi morphs. This is when normal brooksi were still in vogue and the anery and hypo brooksi were animals you drooled over LOL!! To be honest, I am happy that folks on this forum are into the holbrooki so much. Very cool and underrated members of the common king group IMHO!!

Amen!
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Todd Hughes

It is probable that it could have been from LA. Even in pure holbrooki range some tend to have less speckling. It is maybe probable that due to picking out and line breeding for the best lavander look that the amount of speckling was overlooked and thus produced lavenders that do not speckle out as much. As someone else mentioned it could be something tied to this gene but I think the breeding is more likely it. Eric

Thomas, if they came from North TX/ Oklahoma area and do not speckle out as much that makes since. Those from that area do not usualt have speckles in eveery scale like a more true to type speckled. They tend to look a little more like those from the intergrade zone between holbrooki and splendida. In fact most of that are up there is intergrade zone. I think suposidly pure holbrooki is suposed to start about Dallas or close to it but even those there look more or less like the intergrades from Electra and the surrounding area.
I must point out that most of the intergrades look more or less pure holbrooki only with less speckling. Eric