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Okay here are some really bad pictures of tthe San Diego Gophers I promised.

The first two are the two different looks of the Borrego gophers that coem out of the same clutches, which I think 1 is a normal albino and the other is a T + animals.

The other two pictures are the old Limburg line, the original male that I lost when we had our fire a few years back. these are locale specific also.

We are stoked to have these and look forward to producing the borrego's this coming year and limburgs the following.

I have also got 1.4 2009's from him LOL

Cherryville Farms

Those are insane, John! Ver, very nice!
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Todd Hughes

Normally I don't care much for albino's, but I just love that Borrego.

which one, both of the top two are borrego locale.
Cherryville Farms

I was refering to the one on top. That being said, the second one is a screamer too.

I had to do a double take when I saw your Borrego there. Looks very, very much like my female.

I need to get better photos of male male here.... He's very pastel.

Here's a yearling from different parents.

These are all Borrego / Mc Gurty T Positive animals. They are compatible with the applegate line and throw those and T Positives in the same clutch.

Very nice looking snakes John.

byron.d

Sure look similar and I bet they are the same. In any case cool animals aren't they! Gve me an email when you get the chance. I would like some more info on the McGurdy line of T 's.

John
Cherryville Farms

Man, those colors are bleeping awesome!

Super cool John! Good luck with those!
Tom Stevens
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I like the look of the T . Nice coloring.

Great Pick up's John.

annectans are Real Cool pits to work with.I LOVE 'em

Heres some offpring from a few of my my various little albino projects.

RGDS........AL

Those are awesome! Is the Borrego relatively new? What is the history of that albino morph? Interested cuz I hunt the Borrego Springs area at least 2X a year, but have never heard anything about a line of albino annectens from that locale.

reako45

Nice stuff John,
I really wouldn't call them "Borrego" animals though.that locale was lost right off the bat after Brian Mcgurty collected his young t way back when.

He did infact collect a t albino near sissors crossing about 20 years ago.When he got the snake big enough to breed he placed it on a applegate albino just to see what would happen.To his surprise he produced both "looks" in the clutch right out of the gate.So basically all the amels are het for t and vise versa.I have had both a few different times and have produced both before.Even when breeding two t animals you will throw off an amel here or there.They usually breed true to form though and the percentage is low.

Anyway, this is the story from the man himself and not her-say at all.I have always sold mine as t Mcgurty's or just Mcgurty amels.I really think that the "Borrego" name was thrown out the window from the get go.

I think the gene is compatible just like the Limburg/Dyer animals that where found in the same field and will produce each other in the same clutch.(pic below)

L8r Shannon

Shannon,

Thanks for the clarification. I thought that was the case. When he told me about the original animal and that he had crossed out to Applegate animals I was always a bit bummed. I thought he should have done a locality breeding but I guess he had trouble finding animals from that same area and gave up.........

ginter

Shannon,

You are exactly right about what was done with the original animal. But the second verse is that they then were bred to locale specific animals from around the Borrego area. And produced hets, then the two separate lines were split by using the hets back to the orginal lines which produced specific animals with the separate themes and genetics.

Which could only manifest the different phases individually. I am doing a lousy job of explaining what I was told about them and we will see what is produced thru some trials I will do in the next few years. Which will be interesting for me anyway. I will know if the story that came with them in fact true in a couple of breedings and raising of those animals.

In the mean time I love looking at the two separate phases as they are so different. I like the T animals the most personally.

And yes I know the picture is not a pit, just wanted to add something I like looking at also. LOL

Cherryville Farms