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I was wondering if anyone breeds Yuma kings? They are the getula
from the Yuma AZ area.
Also wondering if anyone has any of the getula from the Medera Canyon area of AZ? If so any pics would be great. Thanks Eric

actually...............Shannon Brown......check with him on those........
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Thanks for the info. Eric

I don't have any Madera Caynon animals to show.
L8r

"here are a couple "yumanensis"

Huh??, did they change the latin name from "yumensis" to "yumanensis" now??, did someone figure they were more closely related to the bat(Myotis yumanensis)?

You know I'm just messin' with ya buddy..LOL!

Those are some real sweet specimen's buddy!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Doug, with the way some of this DNA testing stuff is going you could be right! LOL

Eric

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Shannon, those look great! How much do hatchlings go for? Eric

I see they like to eat ice cream bars. OOOps, thats a hide box, never mind. LOL Eric

It is amazing how those look a little like those grease kings from the oil fields in L.A. Same kind of sock head appearance.
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I have heard of but never seen the grease kings. Does anyone have a pic of them?
I have found a few intergrades between splendida and holbrooki that looked a lot like some of the so called sugar kings from Florida. The thing is there are subtle differences that when you really look at them give them away for what they are.
I think it is just the fact that the patterns of getula overall are simmular (either speckled, blotched or banded or a little of all of the above) that tends to make people think that some look alike. I feel that if you look at every overall trait per locality though you can see what makes them different though.
The intergrades tend to be more yellow and black and the Florida usualy tend to be more shades of creams and browns. Sure there are exceptions to every rule but as an overall norm if you take about ten or more specimens from any one location you get a mean average of trates that start to make more since.
But yeah, I know what you mean about how some from totally different places can look a lot alike. Eric

Here's some wild caught Grease kings. Funny how they look so much alike.

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Thanks for this pics of those grease kings. Yes they do look a lot alike. What locality in LA are those from? I wonder if they have some eastern king in them. They sure look like they do.
They look to have a little more yellow to them, but then some of the Yuma kings from the eastern and maybe just North East of there range can be a little or even very yellow for that matter as they have some splendida in them there too. Eric

>>Thanks for this pics of those grease kings. Yes they do look a lot alike. What locality in LA are those from? I wonder if they have some eastern king in them. They sure look like they do.
>>They look to have a little more yellow to them, but then some of the Yuma kings from the eastern and maybe just North East of there range can be a little or even very yellow for that matter as they have some splendida in them there too. Eric

No eastern influence in Los Angeles, CA.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

You posted that just before I did!..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Thanks again. There are just too many LA's in this world. LOL
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

OK, I had the wrong LA. Thanks. That makes way more since to me now. I can see that those on Los Angeles would be more of a stones throw away genetically speaking. Thanks for the correction.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

I was puzzled by the lack of side spots. Also most of the kings I have ever seen in Louisiana keyed out as good speckled kings.
I knew they looked too cal king. That is why I asked about the exact locality they were from. It threw me for a loop there for a minute. My brain wasn't thinking about the other L.A.
I was thinking LA. WOW, what a differnce one more dot makes! LOL
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

I think there are some eastern king x nigra intergrades that look a lot like that too. There are intergrades in the lower part of AL that can look a lot like them too. I am sure those intergrades come across into the lower MS for the most part and may influence parts of lower LA too. Eric

Yuma

Grease King

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Doug L

OK, now I see a pretty good difference between that Yuma and that Grease king! LOL

Here is an awesome looking Newport-Longbeach "grease" king that Brian Hubbs rescued/salvaged from certain death from it's habitat being destroyed by bulldozers for human development.

Fortunately, it was paired-up with a similar mate to help preserve this hypermelanistic race.

You can see where they get the name "grease king" from, as they look like they have been held by a very greasy-handed mechanic...LOL!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

That looks nice. Does he ever part with any offspring?
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

I don't know, that pic could've been taken many years ago, and he could have given them to another snake buddy by now. He does that quite often as he has captured countless numbers of kingsnakes in his day, especially Cal. kings.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

About ten years ago I mated a banded desert phase cal king to a female mexican black, Produced about a dozen babies that had the appearance of absolutely perfect yumanensis!
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Brad, I have seen a few man made crosses between cal kings and MBK's too and yes most all of them come out looking just like Yuma kings. Eric
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~