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I am talking about the Edisto Island kings. They are L.g. sticticeps. I know sticticeps are probably not recognized as a subspecies anymore but I am old school. LOL
Anyway any info on who has these would be good. I am putting together a list of getula and who has them and so on to help build my collection. Thanks guys!
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

>>I am talking about the Edisto Island kings. They are L.g. sticticeps. I know sticticeps are probably not recognized as a subspecies anymore but I am old school. LOL
>>Anyway any info on who has these would be good. I am putting together a list of getula and who has them and so on to help build my collection. Thanks guys!
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>>Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

I've never heard of an Outer Banks King called a mosaic king......The past few years Mosaic is a term used for a genetic aberrant Floridana.....

But...There are a few on here that breed OBX KINGS(Sticticeps)....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I think Kevin Enge had them. I don't know if he still does. They are aberrant eastern kings.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

>>I think Kevin Enge had them. I don't know if he still does. They are aberrant eastern kings.

I thought Kevin's Mosaic Easterns were of Georgia lineage....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>I think Kevin Enge had them. I don't know if he still does. They are aberrant eastern kings.

I think Will Still was working with some as well.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Some of Kevins were from GA, but some from SC. I think he started with an SC female bred to a GA male. I think latter he got a male from SC and bred it to a female from the same local.
I know Will Still had some but do nopt know how to contact him.

I also found out that John Cherry had gotten some but I do not know if he still has them. I found a web page with his email address on it and emailed him. I will update when and if I get an email back from him.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

Well, I just got a reply back from John Cherry and he said he loaned his mozaic eastern kings out to a friend on breder loan. His friend had a heater malfunction and lost them all!

There were several people that got them originally though so hopefully I can find at least one person that does.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

You should contact kevin Enge. He may still have some. I say this because Mosaic easterns are notorios snake feeders and some are hard to get on mice. So he may have some left over that were snake feeders and are no feeding on mice..
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www.Bluerosy.com

"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Thanks, yeah I was going to try to look him up and al;so see if I can find Will Still who also had some he got from Kevin.

I would bet the fact as you say that they are poor about feeding on mice is most likely why we do not see the mozaic eastern kings in the hobby. I would bet if they feed better on mice they would have gone more main stream.
I used to keep and raise both Western and Texas longnose snakes so I am not afraid of picky hard to keep snakes. Some longnose snakes take small mice right off but West Texas and AZ ones usualy like lizards and most want race runners/whiptails and nothing else to boot. Babies are real small too.
Anyway I aint scurred! LOL!
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

I think the main reason they havent caught on as much as you would think is because of the GA wide bandeds that people like Will Still have. The fact is that many locales have the capability to produce such variable babies, but insular genetics concentrate and accentuate these anomalies. Add to that all the morphs available in other SSp. and you get fewer people working with them. Snake eating can be changed at birth, but I think you'll find that the guys who breed them generally are not much into problem feeders. I could be wrong.

Thanks for the info. That was some food for thought. LOL
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

Also I know most can be switched from snakes/lizards to mice. Some kinds of snakes like longnose are too small when first hatched to really eat mice though. You have to put some size on them first. Also at least some of the Western longnose snakes do not ever switch.
I would think most of the getula should be switchable though. Eric
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

I had mosaics when they first came on the scene. They don't take well to lizards. At least i had no luck with lizards scented or whole lizards. Baby water snakes or ground snakes are what would trigger them..
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www.Bluerosy.com

"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

From what I read the SC strain was prone to lizard feeding at least when young. The other strain was an SC X GA and that strain was feeding on mice better to start with. Will Still got some of those and as far as I can tell may have also found some of his own in GA (not sure).
Anyway I am only going on what I read from those that had the mozaic eastern kings.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

Anyway I am only going on what I read from those that had the mozaic eastern kings.

Yeah like i said, I had them. Before any of those guys did.
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www.Bluerosy.com

"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

One of the founder mosaic kings came from Edisto Island, but others came from the mainland. Edisto is separated from the mainland by a salt marsh and a very narrow creek, something kingsnakes have no trouble crossing.... there really isn't any insular genetics concentration as there is still gene flow with the mainland.

Mosaic eastern kings are not and never have been considered sticticeps. They originate from the southern coastal plan of South Carolina, many miles from the Outer Banks.

I don't really know anyone on here working with them.

There is an unrelated mosaic morph in Florida kings as well.

Thanks, I was not sure of the exact area that the Island location is so did not know for sure if they were sticticeps or not. Thanks for clearing that up. I just ran across pics and an article on them. I have not read it all yet. I liked the way they looked though. I was hoping someone had them and was breeding them.
I know one strain was bred out to a GA male so even if you can find them most would not be locality. Several were found in SC though. It looks to be a morph that probably exist in the Eastern kings from more than one area as some wide white banded and somewhat aberrant ones have been found in several places.

Yes, I knew there was a Florida king that was being called "Mozaic" too.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

I have 3.5 Edistos. You can contact me in the spring if you want.

That's right Nick, very different animals indeed, and very far apart too.

That original "Mosaic" Ricky Waters captured was unreal, huh?!.

I know Paul Weaver used to have some Edisto Island kings, but I don't know if he still has them or not. I was pretty impressed with some of his youngsters he had a couple years ago.

later, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Check with Mark Hardie. Shoot me a pm and I will give you his information. I believe he has both.

I think Paul has a few from this year

carolinaherps.com

I found a guy that has some. They will not be breeder size for another year. But at least it is something. I still need to talk to Kevin Enge too. I will try the other guys you two have sugested. Thanks guys.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

Thanks, but I already figured that out. I was thrown off by the way they looked and the Iland locality part. Now I get it though. Part of why I posted this in the first place. Learn as I go.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~