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determining het question?

toddbecker Sep 18, 2003 02:48 PM

I have 1.2 albino burms that are het for granite. From doing research and being around them for most of my life (I am 31) i have noticed that most if not all burms that are het for anything other than albino have an extremely odd pattern. What I am asking is when I breed my snakes next year is it justifiable for me to sell the babies that have the abherrant pattern as het even though they came out of a clutch from two hets which would honastly make them 66% het. Thanks in advance for any advice. Todd

Replies (11)

BrianSmith Sep 18, 2003 04:15 PM

It is always best to be as acurate as is humanly possible. So if they are by definition 66% hets, then that is what they should be advertised and sold as. However, you could probably tell the customer that you feel that the het trait usually shows in the pattern and that you FEEL that the odds are therefore better. State it more as a strong opinion rather than as fact. It still carries some weight. But I do know what you mean about het animals showing signs of the underlying traits. I only have 100% hets in any hets that I have and most (not all) show some indication of the underlying genetic traits. Like in my albino het green/patternless, all but one female have a very greenish-yellow or greenish-orange color in place of the standard yellows and oranges. But this did not begin to really show for nearly 8 or 10 months.

Hope this helps somehow.

>>I have 1.2 albino burms that are het for granite. From doing research and being around them for most of my life (I am 31) i have noticed that most if not all burms that are het for anything other than albino have an extremely odd pattern. What I am asking is when I breed my snakes next year is it justifiable for me to sell the babies that have the abherrant pattern as het even though they came out of a clutch from two hets which would honastly make them 66% het. Thanks in advance for any advice. Todd
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toddbecker Sep 18, 2003 05:22 PM

Thank you for your quick response. I appreciate the advice. I am in the process of starting an actual breeding facility that hopefully in three years will be my full time job. I completely understand what it is you're saying by notmisleading any potential customers. I know that customer satisfaction is the key to any good business and I will take your advice seriously. Thanks again, Todd

Chris DeLay Sep 18, 2003 06:27 PM

This is a photo of one of our albino, het granites. Most het granties can easily be recognized by sight, but I have seen some on the borderline. I have seen these in clutches of poss. hets. I sell my poss. hets, even the most extreme puzzles, as poss. hets. The only puzzles that I sell as definite hets are the actual hets. Even if I am sure that a specific very crazy puzzle is a het, if it was produced from het X het or het X normal breeding, then I sell it as a poss. het.

So if there are people looking for het granites they should look for the extreme puzzles patterns in poss. het babies.

Hope I didn't confuse more than help...

Sincerely,
Chris DeLay
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East TN reptile Sep 20, 2003 09:07 AM

Dave @ East TN Reptiles

Chris DeLay Sep 18, 2003 06:29 PM

This is a photo of one of our albino, het granites. Most het granties can easily be recognized by sight, but I have seen some on the borderline. I have seen these in clutches of poss. hets. I sell my poss. hets, even the most extreme puzzles, as poss. hets. The only puzzles that I sell as definite hets are the actual hets. Even if I am sure that a specific very crazy puzzle is a het, if it was produced from het X het or het X normal breeding, then I sell it as a poss. het.

So if there are people looking for het granites they should look for the extreme puzzles patterns in poss. het babies.

Hope I didn't confuse more than help...

Sincerely,
Chris DeLay
Stellar Constrictors
Image

Chris DeLay Sep 18, 2003 06:30 PM

This is a photo of one of our albino, het granites. Most het granties can easily be recognized by sight, but I have seen some on the borderline. I have seen these in clutches of poss. hets. I sell my poss. hets, even the most extreme puzzles, as poss. hets. The only puzzles that I sell as definite hets are the actual hets. Even if I am sure that a specific very crazy puzzle is a het, if it was produced from het X het or het X normal breeding, then I sell it as a poss. het.

So if there are people looking for het granites they should look for the extreme puzzles patterns in poss. het babies.

Hope I didn't confuse more than help...

Sincerely,
Chris DeLay
Stellar Constrictors
Image

Chris DeLay Sep 18, 2003 06:30 PM

This is a photo of one of our albino, het granites. Most het granties can easily be recognized by sight, but I have seen some on the borderline. I have seen these in clutches of poss. hets. I sell my poss. hets, even the most extreme puzzles, as poss. hets. The only puzzles that I sell as definite hets are the actual hets. Even if I am sure that a specific very crazy puzzle is a het, if it was produced from het X het or het X normal breeding, then I sell it as a poss. het.

So if there are people looking for het granites they should look for the extreme puzzles patterns in poss. het babies.

Hope I didn't confuse more than help...

Sincerely,
Chris DeLay
Stellar Constrictors
Image

JohnLokken Sep 18, 2003 11:36 PM

I meant that is one screaming burm.........But, one pic is enough. LOL! Just giving you a bad time buddy. Great looking animal. You could post it 100 times and I would look at every one.
John
So, when are you going to give us the "love" with those big animal pics? You know I want to see what you have stashed away.
John
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Chris Delay Sep 18, 2003 06:35 PM

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toddbecker Sep 18, 2003 10:02 PM

Thanks again for the responses and the advice. I understand the ethics involved in this matter and will when the time comes sell the normal babies as possible het and try to establish a sound customer base instead of trying for the extra hundred bucks or so. Thanks again for the response. Todd

toddbecker Sep 18, 2003 10:07 PM

Thanks again for the advice. I completely understand the ethics behind this issue. Next year when the time comes I am selling all the normal babies as possibles. It is better to establish a sound customer base and a solid reputation then going after the extra 100 bucks or so. Thanks again for the advice and the response. Todd

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