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Python Ban-PLEASE READ-NOT USUAL POST

voodoomagik Dec 02, 2009 02:41 PM

Hi, guys,
I was doing my calls today and called Rep. Inhofe from OK. They were so helpful that they forwarded me to their EPW representative! He said that they were against the bill as it stands. I thanked him and asked him to please spread the word to other members to vote against it.
He said he would and ASKED ME TO PLEASE FORWARD THE MATERIALS DEBUNKING THE USGS SURVEY TO HIM SO HE CAN HELP!
I'm at work and may not have the time to do so, but was thinking of the Barkers’ paper and the letter written by the group of scientists against the survey.
He asked me to please post his email on these forums to get him the info.
Again, he's already on our side but is ASKING FOR INFO FROM US to help spread the FACTS!
Can you please help get it to him!
Here's his email:
jonathan_hackett@epw.senate.gov
Remember he's on our side so please be professional and polite.
Thanks guys,
Aaron
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Replies (13)

LarM Dec 02, 2009 02:52 PM

Thanks Aaron I'll get this spread round else where as well!!

. . . Lar M
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voodoomagik Dec 02, 2009 02:57 PM

Thanks, Lar!
I want to get him the Barker info and the letter that was sent lately from Dr. Booth of this forum, Brady Barr, etc., but don't have time to look for them. I’m already going to be late for my 4:00. Could you please get them to him?
He was a really nice guy.

Ps-good to hear from you, my man.
Hopefully, I have some more sunglows from that same pair back I bred back in 08 to post!
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LarM Dec 02, 2009 03:53 PM

Here is what I sent him

Pyron/Burbrink/Guiher Report

Claims of Potential Expansion throughout the U.S. by
Invasive Python Species Are Contradicted by Ecological
Niche Models
R. Alexander Pyron1,2*, Frank T. Burbrink2, Timothy J. Guiher1,2

http://usark.org/uploads/Pyron et al 2008 - ecolog niche modeling contradicts python expansion claims.pdf

On Burmese Pythons in the Everglades
Questions Posed and Answered on the Issues of Pythons
in South Florida and in Captivity
David G. Barker and Tracy M. Barker

http://vpi.com/sites/vpi.com/files/OnBurmese_Florida_compressed.pdf

USARK's Archives containing many informational Documents

http://usark.org/archive.php

Bull. Chicago Herp. Soc. 43(3):45-47, 2008
The Tympanum
Barkers

http://usark.org/uploads/Tympanum.pdf

invasive species definition by law

Is the Burmese python an invasive species?
No. We have it on presidential authority that the Burmese
python in Florida is not an invasive species. They
can be correctly identified as an “exotic species,” or an
“established exotic,” a “non-native species,” or even an
“alien species.” They are not by legal definition an invasive
species.
Presidential Order 13112, signed into law by President
Bill Clinton on February 3, 1999, and titled Invasive
Species, provides the following definition [Section 1 (f)]:
“invasive species means an alien species whose introduction
does or is likely to cause economic or environmental
harm, or harm to human health.”

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Good to hear from you Aaron good luck with the Glow breeding !!
. . . . Lar M
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voodoomagik Dec 02, 2009 08:06 PM

Thanks so much, Lar.
I really appreciate it.

As for the glows, I'm using the same pair only they're bigger, the female was just under 16 lbs the first time and threw 15 babies, now she's 33 lbs! I can't WAIT to see that litter!

Thanks again, bud!
Aaron
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natsamjosh Dec 02, 2009 03:35 PM

Wow, some good news for a change. I was so excited I sent an e-mail 5 minutes ago... and the guy responded already! Here's
the e-mail exchange:

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Dear Ed,

Thank you for you helping the Committee oppose this bil.

Best,

J.W.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:27 PM
To: Hackett, Jonathan (EPW)
Subject: Studies contradicting the USGS's python hysteria

Dear Mr. Hackett:

Thank you for your assistance with opposing S373.

There is a study (done by City University of NY) which
contradicts the non-peer reviewed USGS opinion piece.

Here's a link to it:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2490718/

What also seems to get lost in the shuffle is that there is
30 years of empirical evidence contradicting what the USGS
is claiming. Anyone familiar with the care of Burmese pythons
knows they will get sick (respiratory infection) when temps dip
under 60-65 degrees for any amount of time.

Thanks again!

LarM Dec 02, 2009 03:56 PM

Thanks for sending the link on the NY Study I new I was missing something.

I couldn't find that link

. . . Lar M
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LarM Dec 02, 2009 04:29 PM

OOopos I did send that link ha ha

. . . Lar M
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voodoomagik Dec 02, 2009 08:07 PM

Thank you so much, Ed!
I REALLY appreciate you being on top of it.
Thanks again, man!
Aaron
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natsamjosh Dec 02, 2009 08:26 PM

>>Thank you so much, Ed!
>>I REALLY appreciate you being on top of it.
>>Thanks again, man!
>>Aaron

No problem, I should be thanking you for posting the info and
the guy's e-mail address! We all need to help each other out. This insanity has to stop! The amount of time and effort being put into this non-issue by our gov't representatives is so ridiculous it's almost hard to believe it's actually happening.

Thanks,
Ed

CGibbs Dec 02, 2009 07:02 PM

Thanks Aaron & Lar!!!

voodoomagik Dec 02, 2009 08:10 PM

You got it, Chuck.
I really hope we get to keep our snakes!
By the way, the 08 female albino het anery I got from you this past summer is a BEAST!
I'm going to have to find some feeder cows to keep her happy!
Thanks again, man!
Aaron
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voodoomagik Dec 02, 2009 08:03 PM

Now THAT'S teamwork!

Thanks for forwarding this info on. As fate would have it, I was running non-stop until now (9:00 p.m.!) and never got a chance to send the info. Without us working together, we wouldn't have been able to get this to him.

Will it make a difference?
Who knows. Regardless, we gave it a shot.

I followed up with a "thank you" email just now. (see below)
"Please" and "thank you" are not heard often enough these days!

Thanks again, Lar and Ed!

Hi, Jonathan.

My name is Aaron Houts and I was the person with whom you spoke earlier about collecting information to debunk the USGS report in regards to the "Python Ban bill."

I know that you have heard from some of my associates providing you with links to this information since I did not have time to send it myself. I hope that this will be helpful to you in the prevention of this bill passing.

I just want to thank you so very much for giving us your time and attention. You were professional, courteous and conscientious on a matter that is of the utmost importance to us.

Please know that you and your hard work are very much appreciated.
Thank you again,
Aaron Houts
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LarM Dec 02, 2009 10:43 PM

Great Job Aaron much appreciated Thanks !!

. . . Lar M
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