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guys im thinkinf of getting a butter.....but what else can I breed a butter with? (that would get some good results)...would an orange albino breed well with a butter? sorrie for the newbie questions
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"Isn't it funny you hear a phone ring and it could be anybody, but a ringing phone has to be answered doesn't it?"

Dont get in any hurry to breed.You have a generous amount of time to try breeding.You need to ask yourself alot of questions before you make the plunge.What will i do with the babies?What happens if she get's eggbound?Can i force feed newborn hatchlings?Can i give good advice on husbandry questions?Will my parents kill me?Do i have an incubator?What happens if no one buys them?Will i have the time to answer 50 emails a day if i sell online?I could go on for hours but i wont.Do you even know how to probe a snake?Implicit just take your time buddy and find someone in your area that can give you some hands on training.Are there any herp groups in your area?If there are join one.Not trying to knock you down just trying to help build you up for the big day...Paul.

hey thanks man....well yeah my dad will probably kill me, sometimes i feel bad about getting a corn. cause i really want more! but my dad will not let me get anymore! im gonna get some secretly lol, well there's a Totally Pets expo coming up and there will be reptile bredders there, do u think they would help me? or is breeding a personal thing for breeders who sell? lol

P.S
Do you breed and sell corns?
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"Isn't it funny you hear a phone ring and it could be anybody, but a ringing phone has to be answered doesn't it?"

My Dad wasnt the problem but my Mom would throw fits when she found the latest,snake,frog,lizard,spider,mice,rat in my room.I would come home from school and she would always tell me my new pet escaped when i was gone.So then i spent 2 months paper route money on a 10 gallon aquarium.I knew damn well fish cant escape.Well after a couple of years of showing her i was able to take care of it myself she lightened up.I then went into the mice breeding game on accident.The area petstores were buying mine for 35 cents a pop.I got lucky my pair were throwing out some babies with 3 to 5 different colors on them.Some nice looking color morphs from a black and white mouse combo.Im 38 now and have successful bred,ball pythons,bearded dragons,milk snakes, corn's and im gonna try to get my Guyana redtails to breed for me this year.And yes i had a 10 foot Burmese escape from me.My brother was over and was trying to impress his new girlfriend with his snake handling skills and when he put him back he didnt fasten the the locks back up.Try having a sixty pound snake running loose in your house for almost 3 weeks.And yes i tore the house apart upside down.Im lucky it was the middle of winter so he didnt make it outside.

omg thats sooooo cool, thanks for sharing your story. oh yeah gargoyle.....about ur burmese...were you worried that it might die from hunger? so where did you end up finding it? lol i dont get it, how can such a thick bodied snake that is 10 feet long be hard to find? =0 for like 3 weeks? so was it an accident when u found it? it would be pretty interesting to hear that story =D
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"Isn't it funny you hear a phone ring and it could be anybody, but a ringing phone has to be answered doesn't it?"

The only thing that worried me was having a large sixty pound burmese loose.I was lifting my couch before i sat down to make sure i wouldnt loose a foot.I woke up one nite hearing things crashing around my kitchen.I sure was happy to see him but he sure didnt like me that nite.He did his utmost best to try and tear the living [bleep] outa me..hehehe.I had to throw a blanket over him and pin him.Well he spent the rest of the nite in his cage and in the morning he let me hold him again.I tore my house apart and had no idea were he was.He had a 9 hour head start on me to get hiddin.To make a long story short my brother couldnt hold anything in my collection unless i was there and till this day he hasnt even asked to.That was over 15 years ago.He raises black widows and brown recluses now and i dont visit him much anymore.hehehehe

why not just answer his question without insulting him. He did say he's a newbie. If you get a butter and breed an amel to her or him, you will have all amels het for caramel. I think its a great idea. Good luck with the project, butters are awsome snakes.
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honesty is my only policy

Implicit has been through some tough times with his first snake from not telling his parents he was getting one in the first place to almost immediately allowing it to escape when he first got it.

I thought the previous suggestion was quite appropreate and not insulting at all...

Implicit give it some time buddy, get used to this one and what it entails to keep him/her.

I'd say wait a year and see how your interests have grown/changed. Me thinks you haven't discovered "girls" yet therein be problem numero uno.... (e.g. when you do, the snake will get neglected - you interests will change as you grow)...

enjoy the little ONE...

c
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honesty is my only policy

When I begged for a snake, my father said "wait until you are 14 and discover boys - then you will forget all about snakes" When I was 14, I said "I still like snakes better than boys", so he relented. I finally found a guy who liked them just as much as I do. Guess that is the best of both worlds!

Good luck!

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I hate to say this because I regret the truth of it:
Its almost not worth the effort to breed corns.
Yeah, yeah, I know, now everybody hates me. But, hey, I do it myself.
Anyway, let me tell you what I've seen, in case you haven't.
Corns are the snake that everybody has. And I mean everybody.
That's because they are great little guys, for many reasons.
However, since evryone has them, an breeds them, its hard to get rid of them.
UNless you know what you're doing (when it comes to unloading them), you are often stuch with many babies to raise for extended periods. It sounds great, but its expensive and time consuming and can be frustrating.
Reptile expos are literally squirming with young cornsnakes.
I don't really think anyone will take this to heart, but I personally, will stick to very specific projects rather than just breed my corns to each other.
Just my 3 cents,
-Jack

>>guys im thinkinf of getting a butter.....but what else can I breed a butter with? (that would get some good results)...would an orange albino breed well with a butter? sorrie for the newbie questions
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>>"Isn't it funny you hear a phone ring and it could be anybody, but a ringing phone has to be answered doesn't it?"
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...and I think to myself, "What a wonderful world."

The odds are REALLY slim that you'll come up with something "new" or even more desirable than anyone else's stuff. Even if you do, a 99% chance is that someone else already has done it.
The only real cutting edges are on the really expensive morphs and combos. The pros are already working on almost anything we can come up with, too.
Breeding just "to see what happens" also devalues the snakes produced by the everyone else. If we are overrun with amels (and we are), doesn't that make them worth less? Of course. No matter what they're het for, in most cases.
Again, just my thoughts on the matter.
-Jack

>>I hate to say this because I regret the truth of it:
>>Its almost not worth the effort to breed corns.
>>Yeah, yeah, I know, now everybody hates me. But, hey, I do it myself.
>>Anyway, let me tell you what I've seen, in case you haven't.
>>Corns are the snake that everybody has. And I mean everybody.
>>That's because they are great little guys, for many reasons.
>>However, since evryone has them, an breeds them, its hard to get rid of them.
>>UNless you know what you're doing (when it comes to unloading them), you are often stuch with many babies to raise for extended periods. It sounds great, but its expensive and time consuming and can be frustrating.
>>Reptile expos are literally squirming with young cornsnakes.
>>I don't really think anyone will take this to heart, but I personally, will stick to very specific projects rather than just breed my corns to each other.
>>Just my 3 cents,
>>-Jack
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>>>>guys im thinkinf of getting a butter.....but what else can I breed a butter with? (that would get some good results)...would an orange albino breed well with a butter? sorrie for the newbie questions
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>>>>"Isn't it funny you hear a phone ring and it could be anybody, but a ringing phone has to be answered doesn't it?"
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>>...and I think to myself, "What a wonderful world."
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...and I think to myself, "What a wonderful world."

but if you think about it, isn't it a good thing? becoz all corns will become cheaper and then u will be able to collect like every kind =D right? coz i think most people like to collect different morphs..
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"Isn't it funny you hear a phone ring and it could be anybody, but a ringing phone has to be answered doesn't it?"

When I was a child, you could buy baby turtles for less than a dollar and baby caimans for less than $5 at the local dime store. They were considered novelty items - disposable pets. Parents would buy one for their child until they grew tired of it, then try to give it away, flush it down the toilet, or "kindly" turn it loose in an alien environment. In recent years, I have seen the same thing happen with cheap, wild-caught lizards of various types. I don't think that kind of "cheapness" is good for the animals, or even for the attitude of people buying them. It is sad, but true, that people tend to value what they pay for, and value it more if they pay more for it.

On another note, there will always be people who breed corns as a "labor of love", and I expect to always keep some too, no matter what the price, because I really like them. But if they become too cheap, I won't be able to afford to keep many, and won't be able to afford to do all of the projects that I do now. Very few herpers are rich, so that will apply to most of us. Cheap prices means that it becomes a very part-time hobby for most everyone, and that offerings become more of a hodge-podge of "what you see is what you get", instead of known bloodlines available for people who really want to work with something particular. I am not complaining, because I believe in the free marketplace, and that you have to just deal with whatever it produces. But sometimes the effects are more (or less) beneficial to a particular activity, and you have to adjust your actions accordingly.

In conclusion, I think it is great that corns are affordable (compared to ball python morphs, for example), but if they become disposable pets, I don't think it is good for anyone. All of this is just my own opinon, others may feel differently.

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