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Post you most visually appearing snake

Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 02:23 PM

With all the debates lately i was wondering what you all think is your most visually appearing snake in your collection. Since beauty is in the eye of the beholder we all have different opinions and tastes. Like i think DMongs light yellow normal brooksi is neat as well as Zennys Hybino, non hypo Flame florida king or JKruse's black and white zonata or even a hybrid. For some it may be a locality sepcific animal or just a nice example of a rare morph or even a common albino Calif kingsnake. Either way, if you had to pick one (just one) which would it be?

Hypo- Brooks X Eastern king:

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varanid Dec 13, 2009 02:29 PM

hmm...that's a toss up between my albino retic, my very yellow female speckled king, and my hypo florida. 3/3 of those are in shed right now but I'll try to get pics after they slough off.

Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 02:49 PM

"that's a toss up between my albino retic, my very yellow female speckled king, and my hypo florida. 3/3 of those are in shed right now but I'll try to get pics after they slough"

I think a nice hypo Florida king is always top on the list.

I remember when the first albino Burmese came out and they were the prettiest snake I have seen by that time. then the hobby gets flooded but the snake is still georgeous. Some with the retics.

A high yellow speck would probably win most of the people over on this forum. But this thread is what YOU think is prettiest and not what others here think.
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DMong Dec 13, 2009 02:55 PM

Wow, that is a VERY tough one, but for sheer striking coloration, it would probably be this extreme hypo female for her awesome shades of clean contrasting oranges.

Thanks for the compliment on the yellow brooksi by the way.

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Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 03:07 PM

that is a VERY tough one, but for sheer striking coloration, it would probably be this extreme hypo female

Yes it is a tough one. But not really. Take current value of the snake out of the picture. Looks at what you think is the most visually appealing whether it is a $25. dollar snake or a $30,000. snake.

I would say some of the oldies (but goodies) still rule.
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

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DMong Dec 13, 2009 03:25 PM

"Take current value of the snake out of the picture. Looks at what you think is the most visually appealing whether it is a $25. dollar snake or a $30,000. snake"

Rainer, uh, that is exactly what I did. I think she is probably the most visually stunning snake I own regardless of value, even though there are many other very beautiful types of snakes in my collection.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 03:34 PM

Oh YES, i agree with you on the Extreme hypo. It is one of the most visually stunning snakes i have ever seen. I think if i sowed that snake to a none snake person they would be stunned as well.

But I remember a time , like you, before we ever saw a albino tricolor. In our minds that was the untimate Fnatasy snake.

I guess it all depends on where you came from. how long you have been around. And how a non visually stunning snake to most might be the best in ones own world.

Jurassic Milk - Honduran x Florida king/albino cal king:

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DMong Dec 13, 2009 03:47 PM

I would have to agree 100% with you on that as well. Even totally non-snake people are awed by the killer coloration of the extreme hypo tangerines.

When I was about 8 years old or so in the 70's, an older kid in the neighborhood had a small Scarlet King in an aquarium, when I laid eyes on this thing, I was absolutely AWE-STRUCK by the insane beauty of it's colors and ringed pattern. It looked as though it was hand-painted by a Mexican artist.

I just KNEW I would have to be owning some of THOSE suckers in the future..LOL!. I know you can relate to stuff like that when you were a young kid too. I will NEVER forget seeing that first Scarlet kingsnake up close in person.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

varanid Dec 13, 2009 05:32 PM

I still remember the first wild bullsnake I found. As a kid I lived up in the Rockies and we didn't have tons of herps--wandering garters, fence lizards...that was most of what we had.

On a trip with my father to Mesa Verde though, I saw a brilliant bullsnake...good clean yellow coloring, nice defined black blotches. It was stunning

North America has some killer snakes--alterna, everglades rats, corns, bulls, most getula ssps, rough greens (I like 'em!) and ribbon snakes...just some amazing snakes we got over here.

Not to mention the rattlers...

DMong Dec 13, 2009 05:59 PM

Oh!, heck yeah!, North America has some downright stunning animals. I even owned many of the ones you listed there as a kid too growing up in the 60's and 70's.

My favorites were the Florida Indigos as a kid, man those were the absolute BOMB! I even brought mine to Show & Tell whenever possible in elementary school. Those things are one of the most noble of ALL serpents in my opinion.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

DMong Dec 13, 2009 05:50 PM

Geesh!, talk about a silly typo..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

fliptop Dec 13, 2009 03:18 PM

Dang, I dig this odd pueblan/possible mutt. PLEASE don't start arguing over her, just admire her beauty, dammit!

Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:25 PM

Yes i meant appealing.

That looks like a beaut. The sockhead is especially what draws me.

Looks to have Pueblin in it because it seems so mellow.

Very cool!
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

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fliptop Dec 14, 2009 04:57 PM

Mellow?! She's so friendly, she'll make you breakfast. NOT! She's a spazz. The hand pics were taken the day I brought her home back in Oct. The move took her off guard I guess.

I'll post a bad old pic of my fav Fla king, though, an anery I picked up from Mark Lucas.

ChristopherD Dec 14, 2009 02:45 PM

I See it again (Dang Son) Shes a Beauty ,and i couldnt help but think if hypomelanistic was incorperated into the progeny.Chris

fliptop Dec 14, 2009 04:54 PM

Thanks! Hopefully that'll be in the works when she's old enough to go. I DID end up picking up this peach to go with her.

chris jones Dec 15, 2009 08:16 AM


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RandyWhittington Dec 13, 2009 03:46 PM

No way I could pick one but these have always been at the top of my list as far as visual appeal.

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Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:18 PM

wooo hooo!

To be honest Randy i could not pick just one of those either.

The deppei jani was always a favorotie of mine and just the diversity of different snakes makes it hard to shoose just one.

But those 3 would be hard to seperate and say which one. they are all georgeous examples. thanks for sharing.
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

RandyWhittington Dec 13, 2009 08:19 PM

Thanks Rainer. Good idea for a post.
After thinking I had to add a couple more at the top. I've learned that I tend to hold back too many of my favorites.

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Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 09:10 PM

Randy....Every snake I have ever seen you post is AWESOME!

That Okeetee is KILLER.....
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joecop Dec 14, 2009 12:45 PM

Randy, from the photo I might go out on a limb here and say that is the prettiest corn I have seen. Wow.

monklet Dec 15, 2009 10:07 AM

Man if Okeetees were at all rare we'd be payin' BIG$$$. That one is off the scale!!! Also love the boa you posted Randy...just awesome. Not that the others aren't all gorgeous.

Jeff Schofield Dec 14, 2009 01:13 AM

Randy I can get you some soap to wash that crap off that boa,lol. That pit doesnt even look real...nice!

Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 04:05 PM

Out of all the colorful Thayeri and cool Mex Mex I have....
I think this generic amel Ruthveni is the most appealing to look at.....Bright Yellow, Red and aberrant to boot.....



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Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:27 PM

Well as i said at the beginning of this thread. The albino tricolor was the first unseen dream of many a herper. And isn't the amel rutheni the first amel tricolor?

The first ones are still the best. If it was never dicovered we would still go back to it today with the same fever as when it first popped out.
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

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Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 06:33 PM

>>Well as i said at the beginning of this thread. The albino tricolor was the first unseen dream of many a herper. And isn't the amel rutheni the first amel tricolor?
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>>The first ones are still the best. If it was never dicovered we would still go back to it today with the same fever as when it first popped out.

Yep as far as I know the Amealco, Mexico locality Ruthveni produced the first amel tricolors....

You know what....I like the oranges and yellows and reds on one side of the spectrum, but every time I look at this Axanthic Splendida I am in awe......Black & White looks nice too....




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Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:49 PM

Terry Huering from Albama had the first amels pop out. he got the unkown hets from a guy who brought them in to a pert store mason jars. terry raised them up and popped out the foirst amel Rutheni. he sold them for a pretty penny soon after.

I don't recall the person who brought the unkown hets to terry but i think thy were wild collected or came from wild collected stock. i will email terry to get the full story to post here as i think the guys name who he bought them from was somone we all knew. What i am saying they probably are the locale you mentioned.
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Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 09:07 PM

Thanks for getting Terry to post that info...I find that stuff interesting being a Mexicana head and all....

Here is a male I have that is a more "classic" looking Amelanistic Ruthveni......I like the red mottled snout......




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TerryHeuring Dec 13, 2009 08:45 PM

The original ruthveni were collected by Dr. William Garska in Quataro Mexico,he also did all of the work to describe them and remove them from the mexicana group.I traded him locale red milks snakes from north Alabama so he could verify them as true red milks.He had been breeding the ruthvens for years.I received a male and two females raised them bred them and produced the first albino tricolors in the hobby.After going back to Dr. Garstka with the albinos we came to the conclusion that one of his two adult males was a het sired by an albino in the wild.Ruthveni being a high mountain kingsnake and spending most of the daylight hours in rock formations an albino could survive in the wild. Terry Heuring

Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 08:51 PM

>>The original ruthveni were collected by Dr. William Garska in Quataro Mexico,he also did all of the work to describe them and remove them from the mexicana group.I traded him locale red milks snakes from north Alabama so he could verify them as true red milks.He had been breeding the ruthvens for years.I received a male and two females raised them bred them and produced the first albino tricolors in the hobby.After going back to Dr. Garstka with the albinos we came to the conclusion that one of his two adult males was a het sired by an albino in the wild.Ruthveni being a high mountain kingsnake and spending most of the daylight hours in rock formations an albino could survive in the wild. Terry Heuring

Thanks for the information Terry....I knew it originated from Garska's Ruthveni, but I thought it was from his Amealco Mexico Ruthveni not his Quataros.
In what year did you hatch the amel Ruthveni, if you don't mind me asking?
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TerryHeuring Dec 14, 2009 06:33 AM

The fisrt albinos were hatched in 1987 from two clutches,six eggs in one and five in the other.one albino in the five egg clutch and two in the six egg clutch.Terry

Jlassiter Dec 14, 2009 07:53 AM

>>The fisrt albinos were hatched in 1987 from two clutches,six eggs in one and five in the other.one albino in the five egg clutch and two in the six egg clutch.Terry

Thanks Terry.....
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John Lassiter
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Chris Jones Dec 15, 2009 02:17 PM

Amealco is in Queretaro.

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Jlassiter Dec 15, 2009 04:28 PM

>>Amealco is in Queretaro.

Yes Chris...Read the post below this one.....
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John Lassiter
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Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 09:03 PM

>>The original ruthveni were collected by Dr. William Garska in Quataro Mexico,he also did all of the work to describe them and remove them from the mexicana group.I traded him locale red milks snakes from north Alabama so he could verify them as true red milks.He had been breeding the ruthvens for years.I received a male and two females raised them bred them and produced the first albino tricolors in the hobby.After going back to Dr. Garstka with the albinos we came to the conclusion that one of his two adult males was a het sired by an albino in the wild.Ruthveni being a high mountain kingsnake and spending most of the daylight hours in rock formations an albino could survive in the wild. Terry Heuring

OH.......You meant the state of Queretaro, Mexico......I believe the exact locale was Amealco, Queretaro Mexico......Most aberrants we see in the hobby today are from these Amealcos also......

Again....Thanks for chiming in and sharing that information Terry....
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TerryHeuring Dec 14, 2009 06:36 AM

I was never given the exact location,I think Steve Osborne states the location on his info.Terry

Joe Forks Dec 16, 2009 05:19 PM

I won't type it out here, but Garstka even gives the Canyon name, and it's nearby c. Amealco, Queretaro.
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rtdunham Dec 15, 2009 10:32 PM

>>...After going back to Dr. Garstka with the albinos we came to the conclusion that one of his two adult males was a het sired by an albino in the wild

Terry, I have a question. Why was the conclusion that it was sired by an amel? Isn't it more likely the captured adult male was a het that picked up the gene from a het mother or father? As I understand it, the fluke, or mutation, or genetic accident that leads to a new morph occurs when a single gene deviates--in this case, when a single gene mutates into an amel gene. (as opposed to believing that the first animal in an amel line was a visual, phenotypical amel, with two amel genes, which seems much less likely to me). That single recessive amel gene is then passed along until it two such heterozygous critters come into breeding contact in the wild and/or, as in this case, end up paired together in captivity.

In other words, it's entirely possible that an amel appearing in captivity could be the first amel of its kind. At a minimum, there's no reason to believe there had to be an amel in the wild preceding the captive appearance.

The genetic disturbance that produced the first, mutant amel gene could have occurred only a few years earlier--or centuries earlier. Insight into those circumstances would come from field observations and test breedings (in the absence of DNA testing) to see how widespread the recessive gene is in the wild population.

I'm not trying to challenge your and Dr G's conclusion. Rather, I'm just interested in how this scenario re: morph occurrence sounds to the rest of you.

MikeRusso Dec 13, 2009 04:23 PM

This is one of my proven breeder males that was hatched out here a few years ago..

There are others here that I like just as much if not more, but I think most non alterna folks like the blairs phase the best..

~ Mike Russo
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Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:22 PM

YUM!

Again another snakes when i saw for the first time i thought i would never own. I remember holding one and seeing it up close for the first time. they are just so different from other snakes out there. The clean wide orange on yours is the ultimate version when it comes to perfection.

There are so many things to consider on the ultimate visually appealing snake.
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Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 09:51 PM

>>This is one of my proven breeder males that was hatched out here a few years ago..
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>>There are others here that I like just as much if not more, but I think most non alterna folks like the blairs phase the best..

That's KILLER Mike......
I like it alot, but the Xmas Mountain Black Blairs are my favorites......Along with the Black Gap aberrant patterns....

Thanks for showing the pic....
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MikeRusso Dec 14, 2009 06:17 AM

Thanks John.. I really like them all, but Black Gaps are my favorite as well.. And, they make up the majority of my alterna collection..

Here is one of my dark Alterna..

~ Mike Russo
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Jlassiter Dec 14, 2009 07:55 AM

>>Thanks John.. I really like them all, but Black Gaps are my favorite as well.. And, they make up the majority of my alterna collection..
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>>Here is one of my dark Alterna..

WOW...I seem to like those dark ones better than the traditional Light Blairs.....
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runswithturtles Dec 14, 2009 12:43 PM

Mike, you have some screaming orange on some of those gray bands! Me likey!
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bakeaway Dec 13, 2009 05:18 PM

my big hypo male

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Goini King 1.0 (Mark Kenderdine)
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Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:14 PM

I think I mentioned before. That thing is a screamer of a hypo.
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joecop Dec 13, 2009 06:48 PM

Odly enough, I have quite a few mountain kings (zonata/pyros), some super hondos from Mr. Niles, but there is just something about these jet black and snow white conjuncta kings that gets me. I also cannot get enough of seeing a bright eastern milk when I lift a board or in this one's case hatch them out. This one now belongs to Dave Niles. Then of course my favorites growing up and still today. Good old getula.


varanid Dec 13, 2009 05:49 PM

The kingsnakes both shed so I snapped some quick picks.

the speckled; bad photo, oh well.

the hypo fl.

the retic's still in blue so it'll be a bit on her *sigh* she's hard to photograph anyway. Hyper little lady

jl8243 Dec 13, 2009 05:51 PM

I submit this:


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Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:28 PM

That is like outta this world . WHOA!

I don't know about everyones else but i love this thread.
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MichelleRogers Dec 13, 2009 09:34 PM

That one is beautiful.
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Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 09:55 PM

>>That one is beautiful.

Doesn't remind you of this girl with more reduced black Michelle?



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MichelleRogers Dec 13, 2009 10:08 PM

John,
Michelle is awesome. I love that bright red and the alternates.
You know I had thought about holding her back. i can't wait to see what she produces for you.
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All things wise and wonderful:
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jl8243 Dec 13, 2009 09:59 PM

>>That one is beautiful.

Thanks. The lady that bred it produces some awesome animals.
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MichelleRogers Dec 13, 2009 10:12 PM

Thank you Josh, I was wondering if he was one of mine.
He has turned out beautiful.
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antelope Dec 14, 2009 11:06 AM

C'mon Michelle, show us your fav... I'm torn right now, I'm like Randy, I just can't pare it down. Rainer if you'd have kept it to kings I could post, lol.
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MichelleRogers Dec 14, 2009 11:29 AM

Todd, I posted my fav further down. But I was torn between him and orange cheek and my male columbian. I have to many fav's...lol
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All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

MichelleRogers Dec 14, 2009 12:05 PM

Here are a few more of my fav's.







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All things wise and wonderful:
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Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 09:56 PM

>>I submit this:

NICE....I like the bright red and reduced black.....Great looking thayeri Josh....

And Rainer....
I am enjoying this thread too.....Good idea......
It's a nice break from all the bashing, bickering and opinions for sure!!!!
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CrimsonKing Dec 13, 2009 05:53 PM

.....I could pick one....but..... sometimes I like simple beauty...

:Mark
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CrimsonKing Dec 13, 2009 05:58 PM

...I just don't think there's a heckuva lot of room for improvement on the naturals of these either..

:Mark
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DMong Dec 13, 2009 06:29 PM

I gotta roll with ya on the natural beauty of certain wild phenotype corns.

Here is one I captured in an orange tree across the street from where I used to live in Brevard County, Florida. I still have her now, and she produced a HUGE clutch of 35 good eggs this year. When I caught her, she was a 20 inch yearling back in 2005 and had a monsterous lump in her mid-section from a very recent meal.

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:30 PM

Didn't Karl Kaufeld say the cornsnake was the most beautiful snake of all?
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

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DMong Dec 13, 2009 06:49 PM

"Didn't Karl Kaufeld say the cornsnake was the most beautiful snake of all?"

I think he did quote that in one of his old books at that Rainer, but then again, he certainly ain't the only one that has said that over the many years..LOL! Seems like most snake books I've read say something to that direct effect in the "forward" part in the books first few pages. They definitely seem to be a "classic" beautiful snake for countless many.

Here's another wild-caught locality "Miami" phase that was captured just above Miami/Dade county in Broward County. This is TRULY one of the nicest Miami's I have ever seen in my entire life. She even bred inside a display case with Doug Beards male Miami when I brought her to a local show many years ago in front of countless people........what a prolific slut SHE was!..LOL!

~Doug

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

runswithturtles Dec 14, 2009 03:36 PM

It always amazes me how the Miami corns can pull off looking so darn good when there orange is not even that bright and they just have a gray background. They are definitely one of my favorites. But then I think my real favorite would be to have at least a trio of every colubrid! LOL
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DMong Dec 14, 2009 04:18 PM

LOL!!,...I certainly know what ya mean!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

CrimsonKing Dec 15, 2009 05:15 AM

...get me going on the Miami corns....

:Mark
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jl8243 Dec 13, 2009 09:45 PM

>>I used to live in Brevard County, Florida.

Small world. I used to live in Melbourne... every corn snake I saw just like that one.
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DMong Dec 14, 2009 01:07 AM

Yes, I've seen a fair number of DOR specimens in Brevard as well when I used to live way out west, and all were very nice looking very similar to the nice female I posted. I must say, I was very saddened to see them dead, and not living in all their natural splendor.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

runswithturtles Dec 14, 2009 01:55 PM

Doug, nice corn. I have to agree about some of those wild phenotype corns. They are good as is. That is why I like to keep some locality and wild type corns as well as the morphs.
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DMong Dec 14, 2009 02:27 PM

Absolutely man!,...a snake doesn't have to be a flashing neon rainbow morph to be beautiful or highly coveted in my opinion, I'm quite sure you see it this way as well.

cheers!, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

monklet Dec 15, 2009 10:12 AM

Beautiful portrait there!

monklet Dec 15, 2009 10:11 AM

"I just don't think there's a heckuva lot of room for improvement on the naturals of these either"

Hallelujah brother!!!

Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:15 PM

Ahh yes. The classic Black and white eastern. just like i used to see in the field guide but could never find one like it. I think it was the perterson guide with the thin bands and clean Black and White.

What county origin is that from?
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Bluerosy Dec 13, 2009 06:33 PM

When i first saw the piebald Ball python I thought it cannot be beat. Pure unadulterated snake porn.

Strange knowbody posted on yet!
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varanid Dec 13, 2009 08:34 PM

I almost posted up my normal ball...but those three I mentioned beat him out. Still a stunning snake.

CrimsonKing Dec 13, 2009 06:38 PM

....of the history of that snake is that it had been hit by a car and a friend brought her to me. It took a little time, but I think you can see, she's fine...
The exact NC county wasn't given to me at the time but I think I can find out.
:Mark
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DMong Dec 13, 2009 06:55 PM

Mark, was it ran over on a dirt road?. More than likely was, I caught a Yellow Rat years ago that apparently got run over on a dirt road to a fishing camp, and shortly afterwards, it started to look and behave fine again. The softer dirt in the road was apparently just soft enough to prevent the snake from being crushed by the tire.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Lindsay Dec 14, 2009 07:07 AM

>>Mark, was it ran over on a dirt road?.

Nope, it was a 2-lane blacktop. I saw it get hit as I was taking the back roads to Greensboro. lots a blood coming out it's mouth..I figured it was going to the land of Gainesville pickle jars soon. I had never even seen an Eastern king before, I'd have no time to even get out of the car and turn any AC and it was late fall but as I was leaving Mark joked "bring me back a female from XX County" What are the odds?
Come to think of it Doug, didn't you suggest at a show I find a SFMK a few hours before I saw one on the way home? I need one of you guys to make suggestions about a winning lottery ticket next time.

DMong Dec 14, 2009 11:34 AM

Yes, that was definitely us talking about the occipitolineata in Ft. Lauderdale just prior to you finding one on your way home. I will NEVER forget that either, and tell my snake buddies about your 1 in 10,000,000 odds of ACTUALLY finding one in the first ten minutes of looking..LOL!....just absolutely UNBELIEVABLE!

BTW,....YES!!!, let's talk some lottery numbers, and we can split the proceeds..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

antelope Dec 14, 2009 11:08 AM

Wow Mark, it is a classic king, but I thought fo sho' you'd throw a mole out there.
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CrimsonKing Dec 14, 2009 07:44 PM

I said I could not decide on just one, ya know..

:Mark
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antelope Dec 15, 2009 12:28 AM

yep, but those mole's are the shiz!
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Joe_M Dec 13, 2009 06:42 PM

Great serpents everyone!

The most visually appealing in my somewhat small collection is this L.t.triangulum.


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DMong Dec 13, 2009 06:59 PM

As well it SHOULD be bro!..LOL!

Very pretty indeed!, and to know that you captured such an extreme rarity on your property makes it truly special beyond belief if you ask me.

Lookin good Joe!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 08:25 PM

Holy Crap....I didn't know that thing existed.......
Great looking snake.....
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RandyWhittington Dec 13, 2009 09:49 PM

That thing is WICKED Joe!!!!!
Me likey!
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Jeff Schofield Dec 14, 2009 01:03 AM

Ahoy, Ahab here and thir is me White Whale...

rtdunham Dec 13, 2009 07:38 PM

>Great thread topic, Rainer. It's great to see so many people liking the classics.

My choices: An exceptional chain king, b&w banded cal king, "okeetee" red rat. Can't be beat. Oh--the alterna in this thread. And that pueblan. The hypo hondo was great. And that triangulum?

Geez.

thomas davis Dec 13, 2009 08:02 PM

wow no doubt a tough call id gotta say this hondo if i only had one...ouch that hurts to even think about.
anyway this is an old pic
,,,,,,,thomas

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Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 08:24 PM

WOW....That thing is CRAZY looking....I like it......
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thomas davis Dec 13, 2009 10:35 PM

thanks john, she was produced by guy clark.

,,,,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Jeff Schofield Dec 13, 2009 09:04 PM

Too bad this guy passed in brumation, the great ones are always like that huh?
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Jlassiter Dec 13, 2009 10:01 PM

>>Too bad this guy passed in brumation, the great ones are always like that huh?

Awesome Jeff...
I have some that I wish were still alive too....

Like this big male thayeri dubbed "Old Yeller"



pics courtesy of David Weymouth
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MichelleRogers Dec 13, 2009 10:20 PM

This has to be one of the best threads I have seen.
Its hard to pick my favorite since they are all my fav's.
But I am going to go with this one.

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JTColubrids Dec 13, 2009 10:45 PM

soooooo..... here are five in order from 5th favorite to #1


Pewter-#5


Mosaic... unfortunately hiding her head-#4


White-Faced-#3


Axanthic Striped Goini (picture by and owned by Brandon Osborne)-#2


THE MOST ATTRACTIVE SNAKE ON THE PLANET IMO Leucy Western Hog(I know they are surrounded by a bad omen but they rule in the visual aspect!!!!!!!)-#1

JTColubrids Dec 13, 2009 11:07 PM

Rainer, I am dying to see updated pix of that one... Do you have any??? Bone Whites rule but I don't have any pix of those either, if you have some sweet ones can you post them too?

JTColubrids Dec 13, 2009 11:09 PM

Can you post a pic or two of your Blaze x Hypo Brooksi Crosses and one of the anery/black and white looking aberant second generation Hypo Brooksi x Eastern Crosses. All of those are at the top of my list too!

Jeff Schofield Dec 14, 2009 12:32 AM

These little ones are just sooooo hot!

ChristopherD Dec 15, 2009 06:51 AM

I Like em Too! Jeff sorry about your male posted above

fliptop Dec 15, 2009 07:27 AM

Damn! Amazing!

LIRepman76 Dec 15, 2009 11:04 AM

I heard somewhere that your #1 is gonna be available to the hobby. Have you heard anything about that?
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runswithturtles Dec 14, 2009 02:06 PM

I like that one a lot. That light back graound is way cool.
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MichelleRogers Dec 15, 2009 11:27 AM

Thank you, The clutch he came out of was mostly pale greys with only 2 with the light background. So far he has held the color and remained clean. This is his sibling female.

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LIRepman76 Dec 15, 2009 07:21 AM

That is one killer looking thayeri. Thanks for posting him/her??
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MichelleRogers Dec 15, 2009 11:23 AM

Thank you, it is a male.
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reako45 Dec 13, 2009 11:40 PM

MyKern Co. desert phase.

reako45
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reako45 Dec 13, 2009 11:42 PM

L.A. Co. Great Basin.

reako45
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runswithturtles Dec 14, 2009 12:51 PM

Hard to beat a good black and white!
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markg Dec 14, 2009 02:06 PM

God bless America. That snake hits home. I was born and raised in California. No matter how many pics I see of all of the other snakes the fine people of this forum work with, the Cal king remains my favorite getula. And the black and white Cal king is such an admirable snake.

>>MyKern Co. desert phase.
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>>reako45
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zach_whitman Dec 14, 2009 01:30 AM

For just straight up looks I think its hard to beat a really nice okee

runswithturtles Dec 14, 2009 02:09 PM

No matter how many morphs we have or what they look likie. A good Okee is still just plain hard to beat! You got to luv em!
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Lindsay Dec 14, 2009 07:15 AM

I can't post photos right now, but my favorites would still include like many of you a desert phase cal king, amel okeetee corn, scarlet king.
To a "classics" list I'd add a nice Mandarin ratsnake and the TransPecos copperhead I saw in West Texas one time.

DMong Dec 14, 2009 02:36 PM

No doubt Lindsay!,....Mandarin's are one of THE most beautiful serpents on earth in my opinion.

Here is a wild-caught import from southern China that I used to own. This snake was a great long-term captive for many years.

~Doug


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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Tony D Dec 14, 2009 08:19 AM

Its a toss up between these two. The first is a Vivid line, earth tones thayeri and the second is a Bairds derived from Val Verde County, TX (Baker's Crossing) stock.

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runswithturtles Dec 14, 2009 12:49 PM

I love the bairds. They rock. They are so nice looking and not even a morph!
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antelope Dec 14, 2009 01:13 PM

I like 'em all, if I have to narrow it down, I'll go with both Tom's het whitewalls and the whitewalls themselves, and my Mexican milk male. I've never seen a cleaner speck, the cream/yellow is really a good look, but the whitewall blows doors! I looked through my thayeri, and I've a few nice gals up and coming, I have a SMOKIN" white splendida male that is locality to boot, and the look of a plain Jane suboc is hard to beat with the native American looking pattern, also the axanthic blonde male I have has grown on me, but the visual POW! goes to the WW gal. And Tom's MBK's are nothing short of perfection in an all black snake. I've had the Mexican milk since '03 and he really is my favorite handling snake, very calm, and his colors just pop for me. Great post Rainer, what, you weren't diggin' the soap?!? LOL!

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monklet Dec 15, 2009 10:20 AM

That Baird's is a knockout. Have any more pics showing the whole snake? Is is stripeless???

Tony D Dec 17, 2009 12:33 PM

Its actually a pretty typical of cb bairds from this lineage. The lighting just fell into place to really capture the sutlties of its color.
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Upscale Dec 14, 2009 09:44 PM

These are pretty visually appealing in a nice cage. I like intense green. When you think about it, that’s actually a rare thing in snakes for some reason. This picture doesn’t do it justice, but you get the “picture”.

Another that looks really better in person than you might think. The black rings are very iridescent in the right light.

I’m a “hot” guy, what can I say!

Jlassiter Dec 14, 2009 10:54 PM

>>I’m a “hot” guy, what can I say!

Conceited too.....LOL
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DMong Dec 14, 2009 11:10 PM

WOW!,..Dude!, I didn't know you had a PAIR of Micrurus!. Last time I thought you just had the one. And the viper is kick-ass to my friend!

I assume both the Coral's are eating real well for ya too now, right?

Great pics buddy!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

monklet Dec 15, 2009 10:22 AM

WOW!!! That's refreshing...got more?

Upscale Dec 16, 2009 08:03 PM

Sorry, I wasn’t sure which one you meant. So here’s one more of each!

I’d compare these colors with just about anything else.

rbichler Dec 14, 2009 10:57 PM

>>With all the debates lately i was wondering what you all think is your most visually appearing snake in your collection.

I would say this Az. Mt. King (pyro has been in first place in my collection with her brillant orange-red and white bands for the past couple of years.
Bob Bichler


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DMong Dec 14, 2009 11:20 PM

WOW Bob!,..that specimen's extremely symmetrical, even banding is just outstanding, as well as the killer orange it displays.

A real winner for sure!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

joecop Dec 15, 2009 12:42 PM

Very nice pyto Bob. I love the even banding and bright colors on that one. I am sure the snake is even brighter in person too!

joecop Dec 15, 2009 12:44 PM

Sorry, PYRO. I kneed to start spoof spreading mi posts.LOL.

PHFaust Dec 15, 2009 11:51 AM

This is all so subjective but I will bite. I do want to preface by saying I just get animals I enjoy. I actually do not breed but run a reptile rescue. The snakes I keep in my personal collection are things that make me smile and I think are stunning, so picking out a fave is hard. While I enjoy the random king that makes its way in here for its garbage disposal abilities, I much prefer my pythons in my personal collection.

My top snakes.
Sarawak Borneo Short TailPython. The colors on this guy never come through properly. He is almost what I would call mahogany. His brown is just SOOO very rich in color. There is just something about him that I love to look at.

This is another snake that NEVER comes through properly. There are stunning shade of greens and blues that for some reason wash out in my amateur photographer shots. The snake almost always has a lovely iridescence that is wonderful. This snake actually came to me during a neglect raid and took a while to get back to health but is quite the pistol. I also adore the big ole melon head this one has.

This is my third, but apparently I dont have photos of him NOT feeding where you can actually see his stripes other than the ones at purchase. I like stripey things, and this guy fits the bill. Thats something I also look at for my short tails as well. I just love the racing stripe down their backs.

Here is another photo. You can see that his colors have faded but not as much as many coastals do. Quite a darling little snake. At feeding time, when he sees the hemostats, he comes to the front of the cage and tilts his head up and opens his mouth for me to put the food in. I have had several coastals do this, but I also have a gopher here in rescue that does that all the while rattling away.

And while I dont find this guy stunning, I will keep it on noodles. This is the baby garbage dump that will eventually grow up and eat all my left over adult mice if he hangs around long enough. Just need to convince him that his rattling does not bother me.

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DMong Dec 15, 2009 12:38 PM

Simply AWESOME Cindy!, those sweet looking animals look as FAR from being neglected as you can possibly get now.

What you are doing is VERY commendable to say the least Cindy. I just wish there were more people that cared for their animals a fraction of what you do.

Great looking, healthy stuff there!

best regards, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

PHFaust Dec 15, 2009 09:41 PM

>>Simply AWESOME Cindy!, those sweet looking animals look as FAR from being neglected as you can possibly get now.
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>> What you are doing is VERY commendable to say the least Cindy. I just wish there were more people that cared for their animals a fraction of what you do.
>>

THanks. Bloods and carpets are the personal animals. Short of two carpets, all others have come through as rescues.

I have photos that would probably make your hearts break, but I do enjoy rehabbing the animals and getting them new homes. Altho much like breeders, I am seeing an economic crunch this year.

But I will say I am enjoying a thread this size and everyone playing nice. Haven't cursed once in this thread.
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Bluerosy Dec 15, 2009 04:35 PM

I just gotta say what he (Dmong) said.

Sweet looking animals!
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chrissyk35 Dec 15, 2009 07:47 PM

Here are my picks from my small collection

My Gray Banded Kingsnake, Elvis.

One of my 4 Dodomas

And The Dodoma's mom, My Paradox Albino Sand Boa, Cleo

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1.0 Ball Python-Siegfried
1.0 BRB-Pedro
1.0 Blair's Phase GrayBanded Kingsnake-Elvis
0.1 Paradox Albino Sand Boa-Cleo
2.2 Dodoma's
0.1 pug mix

MichelleRogers Dec 16, 2009 12:09 AM

that sand boa is awesome!
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