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The perfect Splendida?

krazyblurtz Dec 16, 2009 02:30 PM

Hey all,
What is your idea of the perfect Splendida?

Is it the classic heavy speckling with contrasted lines, The hypo's & hets with their cal king "integrade" influencing their yellow sides to be more of a solid, leaving a constant line of speckles above the side patterns? Or possibly the you like the influence of the nigritis or the speckled king.

Either way I'm obsessed with this quest to breed a great "classic" look that comes from area lacking other kingsnakes.
With the other goal's of breeding out all the yellow from the face/neck to leave it as a TRUE sockhead, like the womas and making a solid wall of of consistent non-breaking speckles.

Also..Obviously no breaks in the connecting lines over their spine

So on to the questions!
1.I've been keeping this specie as pets(non breeders) for a long time, so I have low experience on knowing how much their color changes and their pattern disperses.
But I've heard their pattern spreads out and color diminishes as they age.
Maybe those ones are more typical of nigritis genepool?

For the sake of selective breeding, do I choose a baby that has heavier speckling than I prefer or is this just like cal king's whose different locals/lines go drab or almost black, without integrading?

I would very much appreciate info locating people with experience stories, pictures, or stock to sell...anything relative.
More importantly do you know a splendida breeder? I need more selection!

This is the solid consistent wall of speckles I'm trying to make (thicker top bands though)

This female is another great example of what I'm trying to breed

Ok I've found exactly one of the looks that I'm desperately trying to obtain, wow I need this.
So would a baby version of this be like an almost solid wall of color??

How do you guy's think a baby like this would turn out?

Ok I'll stop rambling for a while

Replies (27)

antelope Dec 16, 2009 02:54 PM

Far west Texas, New Mexico. Perfect saddles are tough to find. Those nice solid high walls are tough to find sometimes without the crazy stippling. I think if you see a baby hatch out close to what you are looking for, it's probably only going to get better.

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krazyblurtz Dec 22, 2009 12:37 PM

Nice Ant.... Your king is pretty awesome looking not such the typical looker eh? That's a cool diffused speckling with nice side walls, is he B&W instead of yellow?

None the less I'm going to be roadtripping soon. I have friends near las vegas NM so maybe we'll go herpin

antelope Dec 22, 2009 09:42 PM

yep he's black and almost white, he sired a b/w daughter last year, so I'm gonna work the b'n'w flavor, she's pretty fly for a white girl!
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Todd Hughes

Jlassiter Dec 16, 2009 03:20 PM

I like the yellow side walls and sockhead from West Texas, but I consider the pattern on this axanthic Splendida to be very reminiscent of some local, South Texas Splendida that I've seen in the field.....

I am trying to dig up some old pics of a few I found in Nueces and Aransas County, Texas....

In the mean time....
This is my "perfect" Splendida.....



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Joe Forks Dec 16, 2009 04:48 PM

I found this one in Brewster county Texas - 4000' grassland habitat far away from any other "influences". I have quite a few from this habitat and they range from this to almost all black in this particular locality.

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greenroomscott Dec 16, 2009 05:03 PM

I found this one in Brewster county Texas - 4000' grassland habitat far away from any other "influences". I have quite a few from this habitat and they range from this to almost all black in this particular locality.

Wow...that snake is stunning!!!

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/scott

Jlassiter Dec 16, 2009 06:07 PM

>>I found this one in Brewster county Texas - 4000' grassland habitat far away from any other "influences". I have quite a few from this habitat and they range from this to almost all black in this particular locality.

That thing is SMOKIN with its busy pattern.....
Great pic too BTW.....
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John Lassiter
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SDeFriez Dec 16, 2009 07:50 PM

Living in NM, desert kings are pretty common, but finding the right coloration takes lots of hunting. I love white or yelllow on jet black, pure splendida with no mix. BTW nice desert kings!

Scott

krazyblurtz Dec 22, 2009 01:14 PM

Hey quit teasing that pic and show her to us!

antelope Dec 17, 2009 12:00 PM

That's a smokin' group Joe, I think everyone's perfect splendida can come from that group!
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Joe Forks Dec 17, 2009 01:19 PM

did I show you the 4' hypo male I found there?
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antelope Dec 18, 2009 10:53 AM

noooooo, do it!
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reako45 Dec 17, 2009 10:35 PM

Splendid! That snake is awesome!

reako45

runswithturtles Dec 17, 2009 11:53 PM

Joe, do you breed any of those? I am always interested in getting some nice ones from good localities and so on. Thanks for posting that. Cool that it has so many speckles and the speckles are so wide too.
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Joe Forks Dec 18, 2009 08:44 AM

>>Joe, do you breed any of those? I am always interested in getting some nice ones from good localities and so on. Thanks for posting that. Cool that it has so many speckles and the speckles are so wide too.
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>>Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

Eric,
She's just coming into real breeding size this year and I have quite a waiting list. She's not my only female though so PM your contact info and I'll keep you informed.
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Tony D Dec 18, 2009 10:05 AM

NICE!
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ratsnakehaven Dec 21, 2009 12:01 PM

>>I found this one in Brewster county Texas - 4000' grassland habitat far away from any other "influences". I have quite a few from this habitat and they range from this to almost all black in this particular locality.
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>>Photography by Joseph E. Forks

Joe, that's a very interesting snake and the locality info is cool too, but it doesn't look much like your ave. or classic splendida. Being so far west I can't imagine it has too much influence from any other ssps, so the variation in TX splendida must be something else.

Are there more typical splendida once you get out of that grassland area you found this speciman in?

Cheers...Terry

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thomas davis Dec 17, 2009 01:47 PM

splendy's are cooooool

,,,,,,,,,thomas davis

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brhaco Dec 18, 2009 08:19 AM

Here's one from the Black Gap Area in southern Brewster Co...

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runswithturtles Dec 18, 2009 11:51 AM

Brad, thats nice. Do you breed them?
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brhaco Dec 18, 2009 09:52 PM

Yes, but not from that locality. That one is still cruising around some of the most extreme desert in Texas!
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Brad Chambers
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"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." - Robert A. Heinlein

runswithturtles Dec 18, 2009 11:44 PM

Brad,it is good not to keep everything all of the time. I have let plenty go as well. What getula do you keep?
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brhaco Dec 19, 2009 09:55 AM

For getula, I breed the locality River road splendida (which you may have seen on here before), HYPO AND ALBINO SPLENDIDA (WORKING ON "SUNGLOWS" the S. GA getula (both wide-banded and narrow-banded). and various variations of cal kings (mostly desert striped and banded)...
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Brad Chambers
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"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." - Robert A. Heinlein

runswithturtles Dec 19, 2009 12:34 PM

Thanks Brad. The sunglow project sounds neat. I will have to list you in my book form the getula you have. I try nto keep a book on everyone I would want to get some thing from. I will try to look everyone up next breeding season when I am mor set up to get more snakes. I used to keep and breed snakes and got out of it for a long time. Now I am getting back into keeping them.
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monklet Dec 18, 2009 11:22 AM

"With the other goal's of breeding out all the yellow from the face/neck to leave it as a TRUE sockhead, like the womas and making a solid wall of of consistent non-breaking speckles.

Also..Obviously no breaks in the connecting lines over their spine"

Truly noble goal...please send me it as soon as you succeed

runswithturtles Dec 18, 2009 05:12 PM

Some of the desert kings from the White Sands New Mexico area look like what you want. They tend to have a good black crown on the head with no markings and and a good black sock. The sides are very nice speckled with no real side blotches showing. They tend to have a reduced spotted pattern down the back so they may not be as wide as you want. But overall they look a lot like what you say you want.
I had some years and years back. I don't know anyone that breeds any from close to there anymore. You can't collect in the White Sands National Monument. But maybe someone has some from close to it.
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antelope Dec 22, 2009 09:44 PM

I'll go you one further, I like this gal almost as much...

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Todd Hughes

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