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Ovophis tonkiensis

texasreptiles Dec 16, 2009 08:33 PM

I recieved a pair of these snakes, (just like the one's Tom Crutchfield posted), and the feeding response of these snakes is INCREDIBLE!

While feeding a F/T 10 day old mice off forceps, these guy's grab it and hold it off the floor like Bitis does, then proceed's to constrict it just like a corn snake would!
I have NEVER witnessed this behavior in a venomous snake! They held it in their coils while still holding it in their mouths for about 5 minutes! Then proceeded eating it.

This tell's me two things, either their venom isn't really potent enough to subdue the prey item,(maybe the venom works differently on warm-bloodied prey) thus throwing coil's around the rodent to also suffocate it, or where they are found, the opportunity to eat is scarce and they are not selective to what they eat, and "wrap it up" as not to lose it.

Any thoughts?
And no, I won't "test" the potency of the venom! LOL!

Randal Berry

Replies (18)

SnakesAndStuff Dec 16, 2009 10:04 PM

That, or it could be that their prey in the wild doesn't cause much of a risk of harming them. Could be that the constriction method isn't selected against, or it could just be neutral selection and something that hasn't disappeared from, or even popped back up, in this species.

Very interesting. I'll have to check it out :D

lep1pic1 Dec 17, 2009 12:16 AM

That is the mast interesting thing I have herd of for years.Randal this is not discussed in any literature that I can find.Just amazeing.ARE THESE JUVIES,jUST WONDERING IF THIS WILL LAST THERE LIFE OR SOMETHING YOUNG DO.I have never been that interested in asain croats but I an intrigued by them alot lately.Those are some nice vipers for sure.Just amazeing old dog learns new trick sort of stuff.......
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Archie Bottoms

texasreptiles Dec 17, 2009 05:48 AM

What's an "asain croat"?

Randal

lep1pic1 Dec 17, 2009 05:10 PM

Not quite the same thing as a camel scrote or a billy goat ,it differs from a doctors note or a tiny shoat I think its time I left on the boat..I still think it is a very interesting thing you have discovered.I am now getting out my copy of hooked on phonic's or learning by ebonic's.
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Archie Bottoms

WALL2WALLREPTILE Dec 25, 2009 11:23 PM

Archie and Randal....

THIS IS BY FAR THE VERY BEST KINGSNAKE THREAD I HAVE READ IN YEARS!!! I laughed my a$$ off.

Ovophis are a more primitive species. I have kept them in years since past. I believe they did not evolve to do the more modern strike and release method which less primitive venomous snakes practice.
In the wild they often prey of amphibians and small rodents....perhaps this might be a reason they do not release. Perhaps the warm blooded prey items they do encounter do not pose any real threat.

Many nonvenomous constrictors seem to put up with a lot of (short lived) fighting and biting from their mammalian prey items...however, they have considerably different scull structure...for example Pythons, Boas and Colubrids have more solid bone structure...this could also apply to most elapids (proteroglyphic snakes)....which also often continue to hold their prey...although most elapidae do not constrict their prey.

Solenoglyphic snakes, on the other hand have fairly delicate scull structure.
Their sculls are not designed for the ability to dig/root around in the earth. You have also certainly noticed that, consequently, most viperidae are not serious "pushers" while they are contained behind a glass front cage. While snakes like taipans and gopher snakes and kingsnakes can exert a considerable force against a glass front cage etc...this is because of the scull structure.

This makes me want to examine the scull structure of Ovophis species. As ground dwelling snakes, which are commonly found inside of holes, under debris and in leaf litter...perhaps they possess more formidable scull structure.

What ever the case, the double whammy method seems to work wonders!

I would not want to find out about their venom on a personal basis. (you might end up with a doctor's note...
Rather you should test it on the Camel Scrot...or the Billy Goat....and watch them bloat.)

Your friend,
Harlin Wall - WALL TO WALL REPTILES!
970-245-7611
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WALL2WALLREPTILE Dec 25, 2009 11:32 PM

I meant to point out that the heavier scull structure allows not only the ability to dig, root, push... but it also allows these predators the ability to hold on to struggling prey items.

Solenoglyphic snakes give these abilities up in trade for larger venom apparatus, light weight-swift striking scull...and longer fangs which are capable of rotation...or "hinge".

Oh yeah....and beware of the gators and crocs that live in the moat.

Harlin

lep1pic1 Dec 26, 2009 11:25 PM

Dude did you have to gloat.Good info
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Archie Bottoms

WALL2WALLREPTILE Dec 27, 2009 07:49 AM

n/p

texasreptiles Dec 27, 2009 03:50 PM

He wasn't gloating Archie, he was just taking a shot of the possibilities, just his opinion. Nothing more or nothing less, he's entitled to it.

Randal

WALL2WALLREPTILE Dec 27, 2009 08:57 PM

Hey Randal,

He was just being silly...we were both being dorks with the rhyme thing. It was all just fun stuff.

You know...gloat...rhymes with moat...rhymes with...scrote....

Well....whatever floats your boat...It's cold here...so I'm gonna go put on a coat....and eat a bowl of warm oats...dumb....but fun.
Happy New Year Randal and Archie.

Your friend,
Harlin Wall - WALL TO WALL REPTILES!
970-245-7611
970-255-9255

lep1pic1 Dec 27, 2009 10:10 PM

Randal it was just fun .Have I made you mad If so let me know.Remember you like to laugh to.
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Archie Bottoms

lep1pic1 Dec 27, 2009 10:58 PM

Harlin I will put the jokes aside for a moment it was fun and I am glad you enjoyed it .Your post seems like a sound theory .I have never kept Ovophis and have always liked them.This constriction aspect fascinates me to no end.It is new to me and now I am hooked on them.You put forth some good information.Happy holidays
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Archie Bottoms

Oxyrhopus Dec 18, 2009 11:04 AM

I've raised a pair and these 08's are almost 16 inches each now and although I've not viewed them coiled around their food, the do hold on well and tuck their head down to restrain the mouse to the substrate and secure their grip. Female top photo and male bottom photo.

Dan

lep1pic1 Dec 18, 2009 10:23 PM

I wonder if it is related to locality.Still interesting snakes.Good luck with them guys.
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Archie Bottoms

Oxyrhopus Dec 19, 2009 01:42 PM

Randal: Just fed and witnessed a short coil.

Dan

sinkaronzm Dec 22, 2009 10:57 AM

hi,texasreptiles.

I thought that all Ovophis the venom to the mouse, is insufficient fatally. Therefore they will draw support from body's strength to implement to the game strangle to death. O.m.orientalis/O.m.makazayazaya/Ovophis tonkiensis/Ovophis okinavensis/O.m.convictus which retains including me, exists not one exception. They like such hunting for the way.

O.m.orientalis

O.m.makazayazaya

lep1pic1 Dec 22, 2009 11:45 AM

Well now that is very interesting to see.I guess it is now old news

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Archie Bottoms

lep1pic1 Dec 22, 2009 11:47 AM

Well now that is very interesting to see.I guess it is now old news

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Archie Bottoms

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