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Should W/C Import Reptiles Be Allowed?

WALL2WALLREPTILE Dec 21, 2009 10:22 PM

Hello,
First of all...I want to say that you have asked a wonderful question. Please take the time to read this post for a wonderful answer....

Wild Collected Imports support species survival.
There are plenty of things wrong about not being able to import wild collected reptiles.

You would not have Dwarf Burmese, Albino Burmese, Hypo Burmese or any of those awesome Ball Python morphs etc. if wild collected reptiles were not allowed to be imported.
In many countries native snakes are only valued for their skin and/or meat.
By allowing these animals to be imported you give them another chance at life.
Imported reptiles add to the captive gene pool.
There are several species of reptiles that are not allowed to be imported...in each of these species, inbreeding is now a major concern. Often the animals face problems of habitat destruction in their natural ranges. By importing wild collected animals, you insure that there is fresh genetic stock to continue their existence....at least in captivity. Could they ever be re-introduced to the wild? That remains to be seen.
But you cannot re-introduce what you have already allowed to become extinct.

Lets look at what is good about continuing to import wild collected animals.

Let me give you a few examples...

Golden Toads (Bufo periglenes)
If it had been legal to collect wild Golden Toads for commercial export to professional herpetoculturists, we would likely have saved them from extinction.
Instead they were "protected" to death.
By not allowing amphibian enthusiasts a chance to work on breeding these rare toads, we have literally insured their demise. Conservation through Commercialization works!
Here is how it works:
Put a high price on the first (FEW) rare wild caught import Golden Toads...this essentially keeps the threatened animals out of the hands of the less experienced keepers...and gives those who are most experienced the chance to successfully breed them in captivity. (Also generating funds from the issuing of the collection permits)
Having captive produced larvae is the best hope for survival and future potential reintroduction, once the problem in their native habitat has been more carefully researched.
Once you have a sustainable captive population..
Allow the breeders to sell these captive bred toads on the open market....since they are rare, they will command a substantial price. A portion of the funds generated from the licenses and sales should then be used for research and reintroduction programs.
Soon the animals will become more common in captivity. And this will relieve any pressures for the desire of large numbers of wild collected imports. The captive breeding success would fuel the success of the reintroduction projects. As well, it would have given scientists a chance to study a species, it's habitat and it's reasons for decline.
Instead...they were not allowed to be collected at all.
And now they have little chances of survival (if they are not already extinct.)

Bearded Dragons (Pogona viticeps)...
There are likely more bearded dragons hatched captivity (outside of Australia) than inside of Australia in the wild. Most of the Bearded Dragons in the pet trade originated from animals that were purchased and imported from breeders in Germany and in the Czech Republic. Where did the Europeans get them? Most were likely smuggled out of Australia (which has blanket laws that ban import and export of flora or fauna.)
Smuggling is not the way to go about obtaining animals...
However, these few smuggled Bearded Dragons have created a huge population of wonderful pets that help to educate many people who are new to reptiles.
What did Australia lose? It lost the ability to capitalize on legally exporting a few animals at high prices. It lost the opportunity to utilize that capital to further the research about their own herpetofauna and fund the protection of crucial habitat. It lost the chance to be the government that fostered an education for millions of people about a wonderful animal that is only native to Australia....which also happens to make a good pet. They could continue to export small number of fresh stock to insure that inbreeding is not a concern. By practicing such ideas instead of Blanket Laws that forbid Import and Export, their government would eliminate existence of a black market in Australian Wildlife.
THAT is how you REALLY protect your wildlife!

Here is another one...
The Crested Gecko (Rhacodactylus ciliatus)
Native to New Caledonia.
I would be willing to bet that you can waltz into a pet store in nearly every major city across the USA and find a Crested Gecko available for sale. They simply thrive in captivity...they are wonderfully entertaining and education pets.
A little history...they were once thought to be extinct.
I attended the International Herpetological Society meeting in 1995 and met with Philippe DeVosjoli who gave a wonderful presentation about the rediscovery of this gecko species. They were granted the licenses to export several different species of geckos in the Rhacodactylus genus.
These proved to be very hardy and productive captives. They are the forefathers of every Crested, Gargoyle, Leachie and Suras Gecko that you have ever seen! These first few wild collected animals allowed us to learn about live birth in geckos from the Rough Snouted Gecko (Rhacodactylus trachyrhynchus).
ALL of these species are threatened due to habitat destruction on their native islands of New Caledonia. But you would not think it possible by looking at the captive population here in the USA and in Europe. We have had banner success with these geckos in captivity. I can guarantee that there is NO black market for R. ciliatus now! We have literally saved them from the brink of extinction. Habitat loss is the major threat to many different species in the wild...not Import/Export. In fact it was a group of loggers (taking down trees) who showed that group of collectors where to find the habitat of those first few Crested Geckos.
Trade in wild collected reptiles for the pet industry has never caused any species to become either extinct or even threatened.
One major threat IS habitat destruction.

I studied Herpetology under Dr. Steven Werman (Co-author of the Biology of Pit Vipers) I have taught herpetology for nearly 20 years. I could go on and on with more examples of why the commercial trade in wild collected Import reptiles is NOT something to ban. But I will close with this...

In my previous post I mentioned the Turtle Crisis. Asian Turtles species are being wiped out by over collection...NOT over collection for the Pet Industry....but for the Table Market. Humans are eating them into extinction. This should not be considered over collection....but over predation.
Importing wild turtles may be to only way to save them.

Importing wild animals does not have a negative impact on native populations. Most countries issue export quotas. They decide how may permits are issued based on the populations of the species in question.
This data is provided by biologists.
It is what sets the initial prices for the animals themselves. The countries that export wildlife begin to see these animals a more valuable than meat and skins.
Instead they become a valued renewable resource. A resource that they wish to protect. Without a value...they will again become bush meat...or merely innocent casualties amidst habitat destruction. The values of the animals WE Import give indigenous people a reason to protect the animals and the precious habitat.

I hope this was an informative answer.
Please feel welcome to call me if you have any questions.
Thanks again.

Your friend,
Harlin Wall - WALL TO WALL REPTILES!
970-245-7611
970-255-9255

Replies (5)

kachunga Dec 22, 2009 12:56 AM

Good insight. But isnt it true that all of the "cool" snake morphs you listed were found in the wild, the native collector recognized the value, and then the specimen was offered to someone here who imported and then produced said cool morph? I read stories all the time on how so and so imported the first one, selectively bred it and now produces some special color that makes us drool. I certainly support the uniqueness that comes with this process.
What I'm not crazy about is the import of WC "normals" when we have a surplus of them here already. Do we really need WC imported ball pythons at $20 each when there are already breeders in this country that produce outstanding, healthy specimens? I guess thats the question I have.
I do honestly wonder how an import ban would be enforced. Dont tell me that if a purple albino burmese hatched out in SE Asia that it wouldnt somehow magically appear here in the US.
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1.0 Albino American alligator, "Smoke"
1.1 American alligator,"Al Bite Ya & Mollie"
1.1 Purple Albino Reticulated Pythons, "Gumbo & Abita"
0.1 Eastern Gaboon Viper, "Gabbie"

WALL2WALLREPTILE Dec 22, 2009 03:45 AM

Correct.
Almost EVERY interesting ball morph was originally collected from wild caught snakes....or captive hatched imports. Almost NONE of the morphs we keep popped up in captivity.
I can think of two morphs (off of the top of my head) that originated from captive lines...but there are too many to list that came from w/c or c/h imports.

(As you know, the really interesting import stuff does not go for $20.00 each.)

Many captive hatched (Ranched) babies (ranching is different from farming)are imported....some of these turn out to be more subtle morphs. Phantoms for example...which have an incredible super (homozygeous) form....originated from carefully selected captive hatched imports...same for Yellow Belly Balls.
Albinos on the other hand, were originally collected as wild caught snakes. In the wild, albinos would have a shorter life expectancy. Importing w/c morphs similar to albinos might keep them from becoming an easy lunch for a predator...as well as providing another interesting trait to work with here.

Very few normal wild caught adult ball pythons are imported. The freight costs associated with adults usually make it more prohibitive. Bush babies (wild collected young) are also less popular with importers...because the importers know that people prefer the captive hatched animals.
The majority of ball pythons imported into the USA are Captive Hatched....very few are wild collected.
Normal captive hatched balls do not negatively effect the breeder's morph market.
They add diversity to our bloodlines.

I can tell you that I have personally selected several interesing possible morphs (dinkers) from shipments of captive hatched babies. Some of them have proven to be new inheritable morphs.
I have also gotten a few wild caught import morphs. These are certainly more work...and should go to more experienced keepers.
Nonetheless, they add to the genetic morph diversity.

Not all w/c import reptiles are as difficult as w/c Ball Pythons. In fact wild caught Ball Pythons may be one of the few difficult exceptions.
I have dealt with many other w/c species that are fairly simple to acclimate to proper captive conditions.

Captive hatched normal balls you mentioned, often make great introductory snakes for first time reptile owners. This gives a large number of people exposure to reptiles and our fascinating hobby. Some will "graduate" on to the morph market or even on the different species. These captive hatched imports are almost like advertising for people to join the ranks of the Reptile Nation.
The same is true for domestic, normal, captive bred corn snakes etc...good introductory pets.
Reptiles are the fastest growing segment of the Pet Industry.
As they say..."There is strength in numbers".
We need the numbers! People need to see why we are passionate about these animals. If captive hatched normal ball pythons can provide a less expensive introductory snake to new reptile hobbyists...and a positive experience...I am all for it!

As for $20 W/C import normal balls you mentioned...You are right...we don't need them, so long as we have the right to continue importing the captive hatched normals and the few interesting and more expensive w/c morphs.

It can be easy to generalize... but each species is individual.
If a species can acclimate properly in the right hands...and can go on to produce captive bred babies...I do not see a problem with these wild collected imports.

Heck, they want to call boa constrictors one species...think about how many species that will actually effect.

I do know that if you give an inch in this situation...they will take everything they can...and then go for more.
Look at the who is backing this legislation....HSUS.
They would love to take your right to import EVERYTHING.
And then they will go after private ownership....as they already continue to do.

Kachunga Dec 22, 2009 03:09 PM

Thanks. I guess I never really thought about it like that.
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1.0 Albino American alligator, "Smoke"
1.1 American alligator,"Al Bite Ya & Mollie"
1.1 Purple Albino Reticulated Pythons, "Gumbo & Abita"
0.1 Eastern Gaboon Viper, "Gabbie"

WALL2WALLREPTILE Dec 23, 2009 12:35 AM

You are welcome.
Thanks for taking the time to read my ramblings.
Enjoy that Eastern Gabby. They are wonderful animals.
(An import I would assume?... As very few are produced here in the States.)
Best wishes for you and your family. Happy Holidays.

Harlin Wall - WALL TO WALL REPTILES!
970-245-7611
970-255-9255

emysbreeder Dec 31, 2009 01:15 AM

Thanks for bringing this up.This is the best defence for our hobby and its never mentioned.They are aslo sent to China for food/TCM. The hide trade is about 98% of collected snakes and lizards. That just about whipped out Crocks until captive breeding and head starting/ranching in India. Snake breeders would be ready to help out with programs for snake conservation when it is findly realised to many are gone. The unintended consaquence that ALLWAYS follows quick fix sensational narrow thinking extreamest laws. Turtle/Tort.breeders are allready doing it and the private sector leads in reproduction of rare Asian turtles. What is common today will be rare tomorrow. And that goes for snakes too. I saw this happen in one decade with Asian turtles. We need to let people own REPTILES or it will be the snakes demize. DEFY DESTINY, BREED ASIAN REPTILES,their going to be the first to go because of the black hole of demand in CHINA. Thanks again for bringing this very important fact. Vic Morgan.

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