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Here's the surviving trio 1.2 of Langtry area graybands that Carston Zoldy caught on June 6, 2005. The girls are mature enough to breed next season, so these will be val verde county, Hwy 90 animals, the male is from a few miles west of Langtry, the females from in Langtry and just under 2 miles east of Langtry. How well does this break down for locality for you guys? The male is not the Oshman Canyon male, it didn't make it. First, the larger female, then the smaller female, followed by the large male.

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Todd Hughes

As long as you give all the information you have on the Hx and locality of the animals then from there it is up to the individuals to decide. People have different criteria for their own locality projects. Some want same cut, some same canyon, others want animals that could realistically meet in the wild, still others are happy with same county. With GBKs I personally want animals that come from areas that could naturally meet in the wild. Funny thing, the boa people I deal with are satisfied with same country with no Hx info at all ! The chondro folks understand that locality info is "iffy" from over there and refer to animals as " locality type " based on physical traits combined with reported locality info.

Thanks, Coach, I agree, it is up to the buyer with the info that is provided. I wish I could have found same cut, but a few miles in between will have to do for now, let's get the road back!
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Todd Hughes

Todd..... The animals you have from Langtry and a couple miles west of Langtry
are from the same canyon and continuos habitat. I have no doubt they are in the same gene pool and good enough for me as same locality. I know this because the canyon wraps around Langtry and continues west and south out of sight of HWY 90. The canyon crosses under 90 just east of Langty and continues NW. On the North side of 90 and west of Langtry is continuos habitat as well. The majority of the animals are medium gray blairs. I also know of and caught myself some light phase blairs out west of Langtry but those are less common. I can't speak about east Langtry as I don't have any direct knowledge from there.
Here are a couple of my west Langtrys in "situ"

Now heres a locality project everyone can get on board with. These are my 277 radio towers wild caughts and F1s . I put them all together in the spring while I travel and they handle the rest.

I really like those in situ shots Tom, There was a nice large light male caught on that trip, but for some reason he didn't survive the trip back to North Carolina. When we woke up that next morning after getting to Carstons' house, he had passed, but he was from Oshman Canyon, the furthest west we saw one.
those are some very nice 277's!
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Todd Hughes

The in "situ" shots are pulled off video and so are not the best quailty but you get the idea. We have video in "situ" of all, well most of the alterna we have found over the years. One of these days wer're going to sit down for about a month and edit.(lol)

I hope you do, it would be a great book, video!
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Todd Hughes