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Just wanted to share some pics showing how these Hypo-E Mex Mex have lost their red as they matured.....Still only 18 months old, but very reduced red already.......

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John Lassiter
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John, I can always count on you for some "eye candy" when I get on the site. Very nice indeed. Even my color blind a-- can see that difference. Keep em coming!

>>John, I can always count on you for some "eye candy" when I get on the site. Very nice indeed. Even my color blind a-- can see that difference. Keep em coming!

Thanks Joe,
If a color blind person can see the "change" from red to pink....I think anyone can.....LOL
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John Lassiter
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Very interesting. That is certainly a very substancial difference!. Very similar to a specific line of hypo-E Sinaloans too.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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>>Very interesting. That is certainly a very substancial difference!. Very similar to a specific line of hypo-E Sinaloans too.

It is interesting....as is the Black Phase Mex Mex....
Both are pigment variations that happen over a period of time (ontogenesis?)....

Neonates with pattern variations hatch out looking granite and splitbanded.....

It seems just the pigment variations in these are ontogenetic....

I still can't wait to see a normal looking Mex Mex hatchling turn into a a black snake with pink saddles......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"I still can't wait to see a normal looking Mex Mex hatchling turn into a a black snake with pink saddles"

No doubt bro, that will truly be something to behold!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Super nice John. Im curious about your breeders.....are you breeding visual hypo-e's together or hypo-e to het/possible het? Just wondering what your project is looking like pairing-wise is all.

Can't wait to see you tinker with the zonatas. You've good taste indeed. But a word of caution, there are lots of zonatas being sold out there having been exposed to zonata disease. Just a heads-up for you buddy.

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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

>>Super nice John. Im curious about your breeders.....are you breeding visual hypo-e's together or hypo-e to het/possible het? Just wondering what your project is looking like pairing-wise is all.
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>>Can't wait to see you tinker with the zonatas. You've good taste indeed. But a word of caution, there are lots of zonatas being sold out there having been exposed to zonata disease. Just a heads-up for you buddy.

These are my Mex Mex plans this year:
(Males X Females)
Hypo-E X Hypo-E (The female is a tad on the small size (28", she may go though)
Hypo-E X Granite
Black X Granite (Shannon's)
Black X Het for Hypo-E (Shannon's)
Granite X Totally Speckled
Granite Line X Classic San Antonio Zoo stock (Shannon's)
Wild Blooded Black/Burgundy X Wild Blooded Classic (From San Diego Zoo wild-confiscated gravid female)

We think the Hypo-E gene may be dominant or co-dominant so there may be some granite Hypo-Es hatched this year....And maybe some Black Phase Hypo-Es......

There will be very few, if any Hypo-Es and Black phase available when they hatch since their pigment variation is ontogenetic......This means I will have to hold onto them a while to see which ones red will lighten and which ones ground color will darken.....Hopefully a couple will do both! Fingers crossed for that....

All in all...I just hope all goes well with fertile eggs and successful hatching.....

I do look forward to the zonata acquisitions this year and the "disease" did deter me from any recent purchases....
I will wait for sure......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Hey Jerry, your snakes eye can reveal other snakes in the room if ya look close!Nice snake.

The Hypo-E's are awesome!!!
I held back 10 from last year.
We'll see how they turn out.
Karl
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>>The Hypo-E's are awesome!!!
>>I held back 10 from last year.
>>We'll see how they turn out.

Karl,
As you may know I have 1.1 from your male last year....The female is a strong feeder and is already 17" and starting to lighten....The male is stubborn, but will take a live pinky every so often....he still looks dark red, but I bet he will turn pink too....

Post a pic of your male, Please?
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John Lassiter
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Here is a pic of the male that I bred to Shannons female.

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Boneyardreptiles.com

>>Here is a pic of the male that I bred to Shannons female.

Well...That is where the 1.1 I have got the long nuchal stripes from...

That male is a "het" for Hypo-E?
From Tom A.?
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John Lassiter
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It was produced by Tom Agosta from the same female that produced Shannons. We were calling it "het" but as more offspring were produced it seems that its not a simple recessive trait at all. You can breed two "normals" from this line and get hypo-e's you can breed two hypo-e's and get "normals". When looking at a clutch of just hatched babies you can make an educated guess as to which ones are going to turn. Hopefully more breeding will give us a better idea of whats going on. One thing is for sure, this line of Mex Mex KICKS ASS!!!

Karl
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Boneyardreptiles.com

>>It was produced by Tom Agosta from the same female that produced Shannons. We were calling it "het" but as more offspring were produced it seems that its not a simple recessive trait at all. You can breed two "normals" from this line and get hypo-e's you can breed two hypo-e's and get "normals". When looking at a clutch of just hatched babies you can make an educated guess as to which ones are going to turn. Hopefully more breeding will give us a better idea of whats going on. One thing is for sure, this line of Mex Mex KICKS ASS!!!

I AGREE 100% Karl.......
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John Lassiter
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Oh how sweet they are! Awesome in everyway!!

Scott

>>Here is a pic of the male that I bred to Shannons female.

Here's the 1.1 I got from Shannon (from your male).....
The first two pics are the female...her red is already starting to fade.....

The last two pics are of the male.....he is not starting to lighten that much, but look at that nuchal stripe......That's something else to refine and throw into the Mex Mex projects......i wonder if its possible to eventually produce an almost completely striped Mex Mex? I remember seeing old pics of some that were 1/3 striped back in the day.....I wonder where all those went?

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John Lassiter
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And here is the "het" hypo-e female of Shannon's.....
I think she is actually expressing the trait and is not a het.....
But she is darker than the two I got from 2008.....

Maybe there are different degrees of this trait....Similar to Hypomelanism, Lavender & Extreme hypos????
Just a guess.....lol

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John Lassiter
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Both are incredible looking and do love the coloration they have, plus that nuchal strip is just amazing. I do think that they would pass those traits on, but not sure how many gerations it would take, but I do think it's a worthy project to stive for. You woild be the first that I know of. Call it Lassiter phase! I have aberrant Sonoran Gopher snake that has a nuchal stripe going all the way down from her neck to almost the tip of her tail. First time I have seen these traits in a Gopher snakes. She was a WC neonate in my front yard. How cool is that?

Scott

>>Both are incredible looking and do love the coloration they have, plus that nuchal strip is just amazing. I do think that they would pass those traits on, but not sure how many gerations it would take, but I do think it's a worthy project to stive for. You woild be the first that I know of. Call it Lassiter phase! I have aberrant Sonoran Gopher snake that has a nuchal stripe going all the way down from her neck to almost the tip of her tail. First time I have seen these traits in a Gopher snakes. She was a WC neonate in my front yard. How cool is that?
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>>Scott

Cool...I would love to see the Gopher snake.......
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John Lassiter
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Thaks John! I'll be posting pix of her and some other kings, (black kings, desert kings, some Sierra mountain king neonates) of mine in a few days!

Scott D

It's going to be awesome to see the hypo-e/blacks progress. It'll be like someone screwing with the contrast knob.
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Josh Loehr

>>It's going to be awesome to see the hypo-e/blacks progress. It'll be like someone screwing with the contrast knob.
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>>Josh Loehr
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...