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Hey guys --

I know that coral snows are amel anery selective breeding. No eumelanin, no erythrin -- so where's the pink coming from? Inquiring minds want to know!
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
0.0.3 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

>>Hey guys --
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>>I know that coral snows are amel anery selective breeding. No eumelanin, no erythrin -- so where's the pink coming from? Inquiring minds want to know!

Well poo, my "plus" signs didn't show up. That should read amel PLUS anery PLUS selective breeding.
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
0.0.3 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

>>Hey guys --
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>>I know that coral snows are amel anery selective breeding. No eumelanin, no erythrin -- so where's the pink coming from? Inquiring minds want to know!
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you need to ask Don to find out for sure....he is always willing to answer questions.
But, I beleive there is also hypomelanism in corals.
There are many regular snows (amel/anery) that show yellows, pinks and even greens.
I guess the hypomelanism in the mix helps enhance the pinks to give the "coral" look.
Only speculation...I could be way off here...drop Don an e-mail and you will find out everything you need to know about his coral snows.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I hate to keep bothering Don, especially when there's so many smart folks here. If I asked him all the questions I really wanted to, he might run away screaming.

You bring up another question that's been bugging me: howintheheck does a snake have hypomelanism and amelanism at the same time?? Yes, I do understand genetics -- it's just that it seems to be a contradiction in terms. If you're producing NO melanin, then it would seem to be irrelevant whether you also have a gene for SOME melanin. I don't understand why you would see any effect from the hypo gene at all. Tis a puzzlement!
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
0.0.3 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

Although they are a somewhat similar expression (reduction and absence), I believe the genes are on different allels. You cant notice the hypo (reduced) melanistic tendencies due to the amel (absence)melanistic tendencies, but both sets of genes could be present in the animal. There are also hybino morphs, which I also wonder what is going on and I have not researched. Could be what you are asking about. Maybe a coral snow is a hybino anery? If not mistaken, a version of coral may be the product of an anery creamsickle. The emoryi blood causing the blotches of the snow to be more pinkish or flesh colored compared to a pure corn snow.

The coral snows are amelanistic, anery, and hypo. The hypo gene seams to be making more pink pigment show up. There are several types of hypo so I am not too sure which hypo they are. It could be that this hypo instead of just taking out some black pigment is actually adding some pink/red to the snake. It could work in a couple of different ways. It may be either that the anery doesn't work on the iridophore that the pink is coming from or maybe the chemical that is making the pink. It could be also that since hypo reduces black that it reduces the anery too. Just my theory.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

>>Although they are a somewhat similar expression (reduction and absence), I believe the genes are on different allels. You cant notice the hypo (reduced) melanistic tendencies due to the amel (absence)melanistic tendencies, but both sets of genes could be present in the animal. There are also hybino morphs, which I also wonder what is going on and I have not researched. Could be what you are asking about. Maybe a coral snow is a hybino anery? If not mistaken, a version of coral may be the product of an anery creamsickle. The emoryi blood causing the blotches of the snow to be more pinkish or flesh colored compared to a pure corn snow.

NO there is no emoryi in the coral snows
at least not in Don's. No telleing about other people's corals but Don's are corn not hybrid
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Sorry to give you a partial answer, but today is a shipping day. I was begged to come to this thread to add to the confusion, but I only have enough time right now to tell you that coral-type snows are not pink/coral colored because of hypo. Some may co-incidentally be homozygous for hypo, but the reason for the pink/red overtones is due to an allele from a different gene. It's not even inherited recessively like most cornsnake mutations (including the anery and amel that manifest snows). It's a dominant-type gene (dom/codom??). I'll shed more light on this tomorrow.

Don
South Mountain Reptiles

Thanks Don. I thought it was due to hypo D. There are so many kinds of hypo. I know some list there pink corns as being hypo.
Another person said it was a gene that is close to ultra hypo (ultramel?). Anyway there are too many kinds of hypo already so if someone wants to call this gene something else go for it. LOL
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~

This is all fascinating. And I'm afraid I'm already starting to collect pink morphs.....

Just since I purchased the coral snow from you, I have also received two bubblegum snow hatchlings and one "strawberry" reverse okeetee. Unfortunately the strawberry RO and your coral are both females....otherwise I'd be planning to match them up in a coupla years. I guess this just means I'll have to buy a male coral from you next season!
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
2.6 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

I used to think little of the pink snows. I am not a big pink fan. But I got a few snows from someone that are pink and now I am hooked! I plan to buy some stuff from Don this next season too. He has some real nice corns!
I have a 1.1 bubble gum X coral snow and 0.1 striped motley that is bubble gum X champagne snow.
As soon as I get this posting picks all figured out I will try to post a few pics.
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Noah was the first snake collector. ~Eric~