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would a very young dumeril and peach throat kill each other in a very big enclosure?

>>would a very young dumeril and peach throat kill each other in a very big enclosure?

I don't think there is a single person here that would advise keeping them together....and why would anyone want to?

Just out of curiosity, what do you have in mind when you say "very big enclosure" ?
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Mike Heinrich,
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
www.amazontreeboa.org

Both of those species are big enough that even a room sized enclosure would only take a couple seconds to cross. A community enclosure isn't a good idea. A better plan is since both of those species are mostly all WC why not get a pair instead and try to breed them? There are no positives that come from mixing species.
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Steve

who said anything about breeding? get your mind out of the gutter. i was just curious and asking questions here to avoid doing anything stupid. huh

I hope you are kidding?
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Steve

>>who said anything about breeding? get your mind out of the gutter. i was just curious and asking questions here to avoid doing anything stupid. huh

OK. You're on the right track (by not wanting to do anything stupid).

Set up a cage about 6X8 feet or 8X8 feet and put one or two Peachthroats in it.
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Mike Heinrich,
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
www.amazontreeboa.org

the reason i asked this question is that i have a female dumerils monitor, and also havewas a female peachthroat.i was wondering if they were able to be housed together. so thanks, and no thanks to your replies!!!

>>the reason i asked this question is that i have a female dumerils monitor, and also havewas a female peachthroat.i was wondering if they were able to be housed together. so thanks, and no thanks to your replies!!!

You asked a question and you've rebutted every reply....

I'm not sure what kind of answer you're looking for...NO, they shouldn't be kept together...but, I suppose you could if you were really set on it. I'd say, if each individual should have a cage of about 6x8 or 8x8, I would guess they could probably successfully hide from each other in an enclosure of about 20x30 feet, but you'd still run the risk of them crossing paths periodically. It would be much easier to have 2 separate full sized enclosures.

Since you know so much that you can dispute the experienced keepers' opinions; you should show pics of your enclosures...
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Mike Heinrich,
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
www.amazontreeboa.org

I disagree don't show picture. It will only further turmoil.

Cheers,
Mike.

Sell one and buy a male of the same species that you keep. The monitor hobby is in desperate need of captive breeding. Or just sell both and buy a kitty cat. Name him mittens.

thanks STUPID

I hate kids on forums.

>>I hate kids on forums.

I kind of had that same thought too after he said "who said anything about breeding? Get your mind out of the gutter"

"thanks STUPID"....that's a real nice touch.

Well good luck with your 2 separate species in one "very large enclosure"....I'm guessing that translates to "55 gallon fish tank"
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Mike Heinrich,
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
www.amazontreeboa.org

Don't forget about the screen top.

this forum starting to turn in the jerry spring show (Cant we all just get along).

i'm a 45yr. old kid. i'm curious i thought these reptile forums were here for people to get help. obviously i was mistaken. i started by asking a simple question. expecting to get a mature answer. i won't make that mistake again.

Funny you were given good advice by a number of people right from the get go. Why waste out time asking if you are only going to ignore our suggestions?
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Steve

Oh boy...some people are just not objective. At all. I mean come on. The first two responces were completely appropriate, so please, stop taking what is constructive advice and turning it into an attack.

It seems some people want attention more than they do pointers to help with their husbandry.

noCheers,
Mike.

>>Oh boy...some people are just not objective. At all. I mean come on. The first two responces were completely appropriate, so please, stop taking what is constructive advice and turning it into an attack.
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>>It seems some people want attention more than they do pointers to help with their husbandry.
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>>noCheers,
>>Mike.

No one gave him the answer he was looking for so that means "no one was helpful"...

If someone should have posted "yeah, go ahead & keep them together, that sound like a really awesome monitor display!"
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Mike Heinrich,
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
www.amazontreeboa.org

my apologize for sound rude. thanks for the replies.

wait until the anaconda-yorkie puppy question comes up LOL.

First I would introduce one of the females to the other one through the cage there in now, and if they seem to get along than try it but keep an eye on them for a good long month, just incase and I would feed them in seprete areas and not in the same cage or food agreshion will happen 100% on that, and if any problems do happen than emediatlly sepreate them and try again a week later. and hope this will help you and good luck

thanx but eye donut need any mor help

This will most likely only end badly. Not to mention that even if one did not eat the other the fact that the two species come from areas on far opposite sides of Wallace's line and do encounter each other in the wild there is the strong possibility of one or both of them contracting pathogens they are not normally exposed to and getting sick and dying. As one of the other posters mentioned you would better pairing them up with mates from their own species.

It doesn't matter where they are from as long as they are similler in size than they could be placed together cause I had a Green Iguana and Crocodile Monitor in the same cage for a few years before selling them and they both were females, it would be a different case if they were males but he said there not. So it should work I think.

Kind of funny you should mention an Iguana I learned this lesson the hard way many many years ago (before "kingsnake" or any of the other info out their now.) with my very first monitor which (of course) was a nile I took it out of it's cage in order to clean the cage. I let it run loose in the room as I already had iguanas running loose in the room at the time and it was easy to retrieve the nile when it needed to go back in it's cage. While cleaning the cage I got distracted and left the room when I returned the nile had eaten an iguana that was almost as big as he was. Your situation is absolutely the exception to the rule with carnivorous reptiles. Basically if one of them is big enough to swallow the other it most likely will sooner or later. the disease thing is also a factor and a very real one even with members of the same species form different regions. Here in Fl the FWC has specific rules about the distance gopher tortoises can be relocated because of this. I am not sure what the studies on IBD in boids ever concluded but initially it was suspected the virus was transferred between boas and Pythons. If you want to mix species your best bet would be tropical fish.

Well My Iguana I use to have was a bit bigger than the croc monitor and I took every percoushion necessary and I made shure that neither had any diease or any parasites and I fed them in seprate areas of the room witch the cage was in and The croc monitor was a baby when I first introduced them and they got along for about 3 years than I had no choice but to sell the croc monitor cause of laws in my state and the Iguana unfortuantlly died cause of power lost during the winter and I was away on vacation and the person watching her just left when the power went out and arived the next day to find her dead.But it is possible to have two different species living in the same cage as long as they are females and they get along.

if i had a choice and had to choose between the last two post believe me i would go with the advise of the gentleman with the nile. I wonder who would win in the nile -vs- the croc monitor case.?)

There's no way this is for real. The bad advice, the typing. This just spells hoax.

If you kept a croc with an Iguana you are either lying or retarded. My guess is the latter. Don't give people stupid advise.

Yeah I think this person is lying and fibbing cause a croc would not get along with an Iguana, cause I can't even get My Iguana to get along with another Iguana let alone a monitor lizard. lol

But I do think that two monitors close to the same size and weight of different species would get along, but I'm just saying this I never done this big it does make sence tho. right?

unnecessary risk in my opinion.

Yeah I guess so, It would be a huge risk tryin' this.

I am now starting to see why so many people get frustrated on here. I haven't really been on here in a few years but I used to post as MadAxeMan when I did (I can't acccess that name anymore so I changed it) so you can archive my posts I'm sure. I have always been willing to post on here of some of the mistakes I have made over the years. I have willingly risked looking like an idiot on here in the hopes that others would actually learn from those mistakes and not make them themselves I have learned from my mistakes. I have also come on here in the past and learned things I didn't know from people like Frank Retes One of the most valuable things you need to realize with this hobby is that you don't know everything and as soon as you realize that there is a lot you can learn from other people's knowledge and insights.
That said I did not spend a dime on your lizards go ahead and feed your peachthroat to your Dumerils or vice versa.Or feed iguanas to your croc monitors I don't care I personally prefer using much cheaper food like rodents insects and eggs but I obviously don't make nearly as much money as you so knock yourself out. BTW caviar is pretty pricey why don't you try that, it's fish eggs so I'm sure which ever one lives will enjoy it. I once heard about some guy who had a monitor escape it's enclosure and break into another and eat a gila monster. Those are pretty pricey You should try one of those. I almost think that monitor may have been a dumerils monitor as well and come to think of it I seem to recall they come from different regions I'm pretty sure Dumerils monitors come from coastal areas and gila monsters come from the top of Mt, Kinabalu.
But go ahead knock yourself out.

Come again?

>>But it is possible to have two different species living in the same cage as long as they are females and they get along.

It is possible....yes, but with a 99.9999999999999% chance of failure.
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Mike Heinrich,
Mike@amazontreeboa.org
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So here is a question i would like to ask because i really dont know, i would like some one with truly good advise to answer. Can males and female ackies in large groups around 4-5 be housed together with out any problems occuring being their the same species?

That depends what you consider a problem. Also, one persons experience won't necessarily be that of another. If you call a problem one killing one another, then yes, it is possible indeed, usually not very hard. This all depends on conditions and the animals. Ackies I can’t pair up for lack of females usually go into a group of males (3 to 4) until I decide what to do. Ive had groups of males get along just fine, they rotate shifts and avoid, some don’t avoid and get along together, and some have wanted to kill each other. It really is a product of what you provide and of their personality.

Also I don’t think one should confuse something that isn’t a problem, as a problem. The only way to do that, is to learn from experience I believe. Back when I firsted started I would blow stuff out of proportion, now I just let it play out to see what happens which will help tell me what to do or not to do in the future.

Cheers,
Mike.

Oh, Thanks I did not know that and I personally would not do this but it is a huge risk to try this type of housing and it is better to keep them in seperette cages, so thanks and hope to who ever posted the original question, not to try it and if you do know the risks.

Nolan of New York

"But it is possible to have two different species living in the same cage as long as they are females and they get along."

Let's narrow this down..."they get along."

You can keep anything together as long as "they get along.", even humans.

The problem is the period of time between putting them together and determining if they do in fact get along. Common sense should tell you what you should or should not do this with. Such as predator and prey. You know, monitor with any other lizard, possibly including other monitors.

Jesse

Just a note on the passing of diseases between two species. Yes, it is a concern that would come from putting the two together but my guess the majority of keepers on this forum’s biosecurity is not so strict that those pathogens or parasites won’t get spread anyway. I know that I go from working with my lizards to my dog to any other animal that I work with without washing in-between species so I’m guessing that most everyone else is doing the same. We as keepers are a big source of transmitting diseases between animals that is why a lot of zoos require foot baths and washing up between areas.

This is not advocating for putting the two lizards together. It could work, it might not. I’m just saying that the parasite/disease issue is not a reason to not put them together. They probably already share those anyway.

Tom