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Out of Control.....again....

Jlassiter Jan 19, 2010 10:14 PM

Well I finally got ahold of some hatchlings from a line of Mex Mex that have eluded me for almost 11 years.

Back in 1999 Kim Caldwell decided to close her reptile business. She had some awesome Thayeri and Mex Mex that turned black with bright red/orange saddles....I called her up and told her that I wanted her thayeri and Mex Mex......She told me that the Mex Mex sold just prior to my call and that these Mex Mex were from Lloyd Lemke. Ric Blair beat me to them. Ric produced many offspring from these, but had waiting lists full and I was not able to squeeze in line, then I took a 3+ year hiatus from the hobby......Recently Ryan Hoyer acquired Ric's breeder Black Phase Mex Mex and last summer he produced some awesome offspring. I emailed him 5 months ago wanting to be on the "list." Finally he offered me some a couple days ago.....So I just ordered a trio of them...Finally I will have some around February 2nd or so.....LOL
He is the only one that I know of that crossed the granite line into the black line this year.....
The granites are not Lemke line, but are Lemke X Galvan line....

Here are the ones I am getting.....
Pics courtesy of Ryan Hoyer.
Female from Black Phase Male X Granite Phase Female

Male from Black Phase Male X Granite Phase Female

Female from Black Phase Male X Black Phase Female

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Replies (39)

Jeremy Pierce Jan 20, 2010 06:11 AM

John...
I am sure that myself and several others on this forum will be getting together to schedule an intervention. Now, while you are in detox, we will be happy to take your wayward animals in for you, so please don't worry about that. Hang in there my friend, you'll be just fine.


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Jeremy Pierce
Shade Tree Exotics
shade-tree-exotics@att.net

Jlassiter Jan 20, 2010 07:24 AM

>>John...
>>I am sure that myself and several others on this forum will be getting together to schedule an intervention. Now, while you are in detox, we will be happy to take your wayward animals in for you, so please don't worry about that. Hang in there my friend, you'll be just fine.
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>>Jeremy Pierce
>>Shade Tree Exotics
>>shade-tree-exotics@att.net
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

rogue_reptiles Jan 20, 2010 07:37 AM

John Lassiter

sweet snakes......

Next you need some of those locality pyros Ryan has.

Jlassiter Jan 20, 2010 11:42 AM

>>John Lassiter
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>>sweet snakes......
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>>Next you need some of those locality pyros Ryan has.

Too Funny Greg....Thanks for the compliment.....I think....lol
I guess I am classified as a hoarder now.....LOL
BTW...I only have 53 snakes.....That's not hoarding just yet....Hehehe
I think I'll pass on all the locality pyros of Ryan's....not enough room.....

The only reason I decided to purchase 3 more snakes is the fact that I wanted this line years ago and finally got a chance to get them.....Also Ryan is the only one I know of in the country that crossed the granite line into the black line......I am doing that this year so I wanted to get a pair to compare their appearance change as they grow......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

antelope Jan 21, 2010 12:43 AM

that's what we all say, just one more...three more...I didn't get a pony when I was little, I wasn't allowed when I was younger,lol! I have no room to talk, you've got a little wiggle room now, but after hatching season is over and you have 250-400 snakes, then your gonna have to come up with something we HAVEN'T heard, lol!
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Todd Hughes

Jlassiter Jan 21, 2010 08:02 AM

>>that's what we all say, just one more...three more...I didn't get a pony when I was little, I wasn't allowed when I was younger,lol! I have no room to talk, you've got a little wiggle room now, but after hatching season is over and you have 250-400 snakes, then your gonna have to come up with something we HAVEN'T heard, lol!

I know, I know....LOL
My plan is to move out all my getula in a couple years and add some alterna and zonata to my collection.......

First I have to produce the Splendida ghost and snow then I will have to produce the lavender whitewall holbrooki and albino whitewall holbrooki as well as that YELLOW SPECKLED THINGY I have to add to the whitewall & lavender traits. Then there's those black splendida everyone calls nigrita or MBKs to mix in there.......Muuuuuahahahahaha

But I may move them out before I get to far into it......

I would like to only focus on Mexicana (including alterna & Ruthveni) and Mountain Kings.....at least that is my goal in the next couple years.....

And you are right about after hatching season......Especially since there will be some holdback project snakes.....over a dozen.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

MichelleRogers Jan 21, 2010 09:47 PM

Remeber Todd, he's only gettin 50, thats the magic number...lol...now mulitply that and we are at what John?
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
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Jlassiter Jan 21, 2010 10:29 PM

>>Remeber Todd, he's only gettin 50, thats the magic number...lol...now mulitply that and we are at what John?
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When Ryans mex mex get here i will have 53........
Now there's about 30 other snakes here from a few folks on breeder loan, but they aren't mine......

But EVERYONE's right about the quota being blown out of the water after babies hatch.......LOL
And when the Zonata and Alterna start arriving after this coming summer......hehe
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

antelope Jan 21, 2010 11:54 PM

possession is 9/10ths of the law, forgot to tell Shannon that in Texas commonlaw is 6 months, lmao!
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Todd Hughes

Jlassiter Jan 22, 2010 08:23 AM

>>possession is 9/10ths of the law, forgot to tell Shannon that in Texas commonlaw is 6 months, lmao!

You're a mess Todd.....LOL
BTW.....I don't ONLY have some of Shannon's snakes.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

antelope Jan 21, 2010 11:52 PM

hahaha, we called it way back there didn't we Michelle, lol!
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Todd Hughes

Jlassiter Jan 22, 2010 08:24 AM

>>hahaha, we called it way back there didn't we Michelle, lol!

That was my 2009 goal......LOL
It's a new year guys.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

MichelleRogers Jan 22, 2010 12:42 PM

Yep Todd we sure did...lol
And John, you had them in 2009!
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

Jlassiter Jan 22, 2010 01:29 PM

>>Yep Todd we sure did...lol
>>And John, you had them in 2009!
Yep...I had/have 50 in 2009 like I wanted.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

MichelleRogers Jan 22, 2010 08:52 PM

Yep and you had more than 50 in 2009. you had shannons and you had the mex mex from me.
You were over in 2009 and really hitting it Hoarder for 2010....lol
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

Jlassiter Jan 22, 2010 08:57 PM

>>Yep and you had more than 50 in 2009. you had shannons and you had the mex mex from me.
>>You were over in 2009 and really hitting it Hoarder for 2010....lol
LOL.....I can never take your title Michelle.....LOL

And...I don't count Shannon's as mine.....I also sold a few snakes and got down to 50 prior to the end of the year......Does that count?....hehehe
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

MichelleRogers Jan 23, 2010 01:46 PM

>>>>And...I don't count Shannon's as mine.....I also sold a few snakes and got down to 50 prior to the end of the year......Does that count?....hehehe

Well will you count the holdback offspring as yours???
How many did you have when you got the mex mex?....lol
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

MichelleRogers Jan 23, 2010 01:48 PM

>>>>LOL.....I can never take your title Michelle.....LOL

You are on your way...lol....you gonna be King Hoarder!
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

antelope Jan 22, 2010 05:34 PM

OH, SNAP!
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Todd Hughes

jl8243 Jan 20, 2010 03:54 PM

I still think you got the best 3. Have fun with them, my friend.
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Josh Loehr

Jlassiter Jan 20, 2010 06:08 PM

>>I still think you got the best 3. Have fun with them, my friend.

Thanks Josh.......I can't wait to see what they'll look like as adults......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

MichelleRogers Jan 21, 2010 09:45 PM

Congratulations my friend, You have been waiting on those awhile.
Its okay to be a hoarder.
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

Jlassiter Jan 21, 2010 10:30 PM

>>Congratulations my friend, You have been waiting on those awhile.
>>Its okay to be a hoarder.

Thanks Michelle.....
And that means alot coming from THE hoarder.....j/k...lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

antelope Jan 21, 2010 11:55 PM

really, it's o.k.! i hear there's a one step program, switch species, lol!
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Todd Hughes

antelope Jan 21, 2010 11:57 PM

he does have a point, Michelle...who am I, the pot calling the kettle calling the cauldron black, black thayeri...I caught the disease too, John really is the pusherman...poor Ryan didn't even know what hit him!

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Todd Hughes

MichelleRogers Jan 22, 2010 12:48 PM

>>>>he does have a point, Michelle...who am I, the pot calling the kettle calling the cauldron black, black thayeri...I caught the disease too, John really is the pusherman...poor Ryan didn't even know what hit him!

The first step to recvory admitting the problem.
I Michelle Rogers am a thayeri hoarder...lol
I think its funny because he has always picked on me and now he has been called a hoarder...lol....welcome to the club John!
Todd you are on your way my friend so you might as well admit it too. Hehehe!

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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

antelope Jan 22, 2010 05:36 PM

Oh, no, Michelle, I already did that, I KNOW I'm a hoarder, and took appropriate steps to remedy that, picked more than one species, I "diverged" into a "collector many moons ago, lol!
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Todd Hughes

Jlassiter Jan 22, 2010 05:55 PM

>>Oh, no, Michelle, I already did that, I KNOW I'm a hoarder, and took appropriate steps to remedy that, picked more than one species, I "diverged" into a "collector many moons ago, lol!

O....I.....C.....
If you have a diversified portfolio you aren't considered a hoarder..........

Well I don't have over 20 of any subspecies....I know, I know, but they are all Mexicana so that makes me a hoarder......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Jlassiter Jan 22, 2010 08:26 AM

>>really, it's o.k.! i hear there's a one step program, switch species, lol!

Why would anyone do that?
I may move out my getula, but I'll never move out my Mexican Kings.......That's what I cut my teeth on......and have grown addicted to.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

antelope Jan 22, 2010 05:37 PM

switch species to hoard, then you get a little time before you're officially a hoarder again! Keep what you have add more, then you become a "collector"! LOL!
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Todd Hughes

MichelleRogers Jan 22, 2010 12:43 PM

yea but my problem is I add to and not take away, so swapping species makes the matters worse...lol
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

antelope Jan 22, 2010 05:38 PM

it's all in the wording, perspective is everything!
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Todd Hughes

MichelleRogers Jan 22, 2010 08:56 PM

Collector does have a nice ring too it...lol
I am now a Collector!
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

Jlassiter Jan 22, 2010 09:00 PM

>>Collector does have a nice ring too it...lol
>>I am now a Collector!

That's sounds a little spooky to me....LOL
Michelle the Collector......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

antelope Jan 23, 2010 03:14 AM

or Kingsnake Connoisseur!
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Todd Hughes

MichelleRogers Jan 23, 2010 01:51 PM

>>>>or Kingsnake Connoisseur!

thats a good one Todd!..lol
Gives a sophistacted ring to it.
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

MichelleRogers Jan 23, 2010 01:50 PM

>>>That's sounds a little spooky to me....LOL
Michelle the Collector......LOL

Does sound spooky...lol
Back to hoarder!
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

CSRAJim Jan 30, 2010 12:04 AM

John,

Congrats man! Very nice specimens...

Do you still have contact with Kim?

Later,
Jim.
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CSRAJim

Jlassiter Jan 30, 2010 06:53 PM

>>John,
>>
>>Congrats man! Very nice specimens...
>>
>>Do you still have contact with Kim?

Thanks Jim....
I haven't talked to Kim since 2003 or so Jim.....So no, sorry.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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