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Thanks to Bill Lamoreaux and other herpetoculturist (Nathan, etc) for providing some great information about the truth from this beautiful specimen. Integrades or not and whatever they are, I still think they are neat animals to work with.

Here are some of the ones we keep.....................

Thanks guys!!

Orlando
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Dr. Orlando Diaz
LEGACY REPTILES
www.legacyreptiles.com

Beautiful milksnakes, Orlando, especially the one in the first, third, and fourth pictures. The one in the fifth picture isn't too shabby, either, and looks very familiar... you must have bought that from Bill Lamoreaux. Based on red body ring count and head pattern, those look like micropholis to me. Have you ever done any scale counts on them? As I said in my post below, subcaudals seem to set the intergrades apart from either "pure" subspecies, although the rest of their meristics are, as you would expect, intermediate between the two. From your website, it looks like you're primarily a boa guy... is boa taxonomy as much of a mess as milksnake taxonomy?

Nate

Nate,
Thanks for the comments. I did acquired Bill's holdbacks last year.
This is what I got from two of micropholis....
RBR: 17
Dorsal scale rows: 21
Subcaudals: 44

I do have a big collection of locality boas (most of them with verifiable data) but I do also have an interest in Central America and South America milksnake. It is always nice to find herpetoculturist with the same interest......Take care

Orlando

Beautiful milksnakes, Orlando, especially the one in the first, third, and fourth pictures. The one in the fifth picture isn't too shabby, either, and looks very familiar... you must have bought that from Bill Lamoreaux. Based on red body ring count and head pattern, those look like micropholis to me. Have you ever done any scale counts on them? As I said in my post below, subcaudals seem to set the intergrades apart from either "pure" subspecies, although the rest of their meristics are, as you would expect, intermediate between the two. From your website, it looks like you're primarily a boa guy... is boa taxonomy as much of a mess as milksnake taxonomy?

Nate
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Dr. Orlando Diaz
LEGACY REPTILES
www.legacyreptiles.com

maybe these will toss out color combo like that ecuador specimen....that slemmer bought from western zoo back in '75....ain't never seen another like it!!!......these central american triangulum were hard to come by back then....ruiz and osboure and applegate etc were a year or two or three from cracking mexico and introducing greeri...sinolans....cambells...ruthvens....mex/mex....and it began...

Very nice examples Orlando. I am glad you were able to obtain them and equally as pleased that I was able to help give you the information I did and guide you towards the right directions. Nice site and beautiful boas as well. Even though I have been a triangulum/Mexicana Complex guy for nearly 15 years, there has always been a soft spot in my heart for locality Peruvian and Suriname red-tails.
Enjoy your new animals and take care.
Nathan Wells

Thanks a bunch Nathan!!

take care....Orlando
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Dr. Orlando Diaz
LEGACY REPTILES
www.legacyreptiles.com