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History Channel tonight

mfoux Jan 27, 2010 07:03 PM

There are two shows playing on History Channel tonight about large pythons. They'll be playing at 7 and 8 and again around 11pm.

I'm sure that the content will be skewed toward terror.
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Ravenspirit Jan 27, 2010 11:56 PM

Saw part of it, and it was BAD. Burms in Central Park ? Apparently there are fears of feral King Cobras Roaming the glades hunting Pythons...

Yes, feral King Cobras.

Yeah. If this is the consensus, herp keepers are done for.

EricWI Jan 28, 2010 09:22 AM

I watched it last night. It was probably one of the largest loads of crap I have ever watched. They talked about the possibility of different species hybridizing to produce "super snakes" and even suggested that pythons and cobras could hybridize!!! They mentioned that there are King Cobras in South Florida as well, even though their was only one instance of an escaped King being found in S. Florida. They of course showed the USGS map and even stated that "killer pythons" would be able to migrate and thrive all of the way up to New York City's Central Park and that the sewers and subways are ideal environments for them. There was of course alot of hype about pythons being a danger to the public, pets, wildlife, etc and what python propaganda piece would be complete without bringing up the Sumpet Co. girl's death by the "deadly rampaging python"?

Pretty much the only good parts of the show were toward the end when the one guy said that venomous and pythons could not possibly hybridize and when they mentioned Hurricane Andrew as a factor for the snake's release.

jscrick Jan 28, 2010 12:03 PM

Yeah. "Snakes on a Plane" and all those other "B" grade bad snake movies really happened and have documented as true, too.
jsc
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botis Jan 28, 2010 03:34 PM

I was able to catch the whole show. It was, for the most part, just sensationalism and scare tactics. They took every freak encounter that has made news recently, and manipulated the facts to make it seem as if these rare events are happening on a regular basis. They even had a small part about the "alleged" incident in south Florida where a cable worker claimed to have been bitten by a green mamba. Most are highly skeptical about this incident, and the animal has not been found. This program reported the story as fact. There was one small tidbit I caught that I found very interesting. One of the USGS scientists stated that the minimum temps that these animals can survive for more than a few hours was 40 degrees F. It struck me that if this is true, wouldn't that completly disprove the projected range map that they are trumpeting as fact? Especially with that crazy cold stretch with temps in the teens in FLORIDA! With the media firmly against us in this battle, our one saving grace might be the current situation that the Democrats in Washington find themselves in. It seems to me that it is going to become very difficult to pass any legislation that kills jobs. I sure hope I'm right.

Brian

EricWI Jan 28, 2010 03:54 PM

Did anyone catch the part where they were using motion detecting cameras to look for pythons in a suburban area in Florida? It is funny how he just "happended" to "catch" a 10-12' ALBINO burm perfectly framed and in the middle of some shortly trimmed lawn. Really makes you go hmmmmm, doesn't it? And as another poster point out, this was the same guy who went searching for giant killer pythons in NYC's central park after they found an escaped 7' redtail boa there.
Coincidentally (or not) they were also showing him "finding" a 6 foot Burm on the side of the road presumably in the same area and it seemed tame when he went and picked it up. But when he grabbed its neck, he started mentioning "how mean and nasty" the snake was...

TOM_CRUTCHFIELD Jan 28, 2010 07:23 PM

The poloticians are WELL AWARE of that and that is why USFWS now under the Lacy Act have proclaimed them injurious and are trying to ban them by bypassing Congress....
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Jaykis Jan 28, 2010 08:20 PM

I'd like to know where they found those two idiots that make Larry the cable guy look like a genius.

And that python was 10'???? Why not, in all that time, just measure the damn thing???

natsamjosh Jan 28, 2010 08:42 PM

>>I'd like to know where they found those two idiots that make Larry the cable guy look like a genius.
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>> And that python was 10'???? Why not, in all that time, just measure the damn thing???

Here's the website of one of the "wildlife biologists" on the Monster Quest show.

http://www.natselections.com/

This is the guy who found the two wild, killers pythons (the tame one on the side of the road and the albino one that was perfectly posed/framed in the photograph supposedly taken by a motion sensored camera) in the first show. In the second show, he is the imbecile who was searching for killer snakes in Central Park.

Why on earth would someone who is supposedly a conservationist be creating hysteria like this??? How many native snakes are now gonna get their heads chopped off because of this ridiculous show?

EricWI Jan 28, 2010 09:13 PM

Wasn't that Joe Wasilewski that was in both shows?

TOM_CRUTCHFIELD Jan 29, 2010 06:09 AM

I'm a close friends with both of the people in the show and am astounded at the stupidity of both. In fact both were here at the farm in the last week. I just don't get it particularly Joe in Central Park. That has to be the DUMBEST THING I've ever seen...
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Tom Crutchfield
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Jaykis Jan 29, 2010 08:58 AM

Tom, Joe was the most rational of them, but the other guys ....I have no idea how they picked them out of everyone.

natsamjosh Jan 29, 2010 09:35 AM

>>Tom, Joe was the most rational of them, but the other guys ....I have no idea how they picked them out of everyone.

Did you see the first show (the one that aired at 8:00?) And if the guy who flies to NY to look for killer snakes in Central Park is the most rational...

Ravenspirit Jan 29, 2010 07:03 PM

Just in case anyone wanted the contact information of the people on that show who were doing nothing but spread hysteria and misinformation -

Dale Pearson was the crazy "Wildlife Expert" from the second show. He did nothing but showboat and act like a class A boob. I can't find his contact info besides this -
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2495107/resume

dalepearson@cox.net seems to be his email though.

Bob Freer from Everglades Outpost was the one talking about feral King Cobras & other cobras unless there ARE feral King Cobras and other exotic venomous species feral in Florida, he should be downright ashamed of himself.

His website is located here -
http://www.evergladesoutpost.org/

And as others have added, Joe Wasilewski was the other fellow, who went looking for pythons in NYC in the second one, and photographed the albino in the first one...

His website is located here -
http://www.natselections.com/

TOM_CRUTCHFIELD Jan 29, 2010 08:29 PM

There are NO feral populations of ANY venomous exotic species established here. One guy had several venomous snakes escape who lost his venomous liscence permantly as a result. All were recaptured and the shed of the King Cobra was found BUT that led to it's recapture. Their are NO possible populations as the statement alluded to their being. It was ALL based of F. D.'S ESCAPED SNAKES. SOME OF YOU WILL KNOW WHO I MEAN AND AT ONE TIME HE WAS AFFILIATED WITH THE OUTPOST BUT WAS DISMISSED BECAUSE OF HIS IDIOTIC BEHAVIOUR. This kind of LEADING ALLIGATION is uncalled for and NOT true...F. D. does NOT even reside in Fl. anymore...thanks
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Tom Crutchfield
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Ravenspirit Jan 30, 2010 08:20 AM

I wasn't sure what the exact case way, I was just relaying what Bob Freer was saying on the program while talking to Dale Pearson. He CLEARLY seemed to be implying that there are populations of cobras, including King Cobras, loose, and even potentially established in Florida.

jscrick Jan 29, 2010 09:50 PM

I didn't see any of this, but I think I have a pretty good idea of whats transpired. Don't know either of them or know of them, either.

It's best described as a personality disorder. People like that just can't help embellishing the story. Once they realize the spotlight is on them, they just take off/loose control. Unprofessional? Yes. Irresponsible and immature? Probably. It's simply a matter of making themselves more important in the audience's eyes, with telling their tall tails. It's just a matter of telling whoppers to build ones self esteem.

We've all heard the ridiculous story from the novice as soon as they hear we're into snakes. They've just got to share the folklore/legend/myth. But of course it happened to them. I can always get a fix on a novice when they relate their experience with snakes. Sometimes it's hard to keep a straight face. For me, it's really hard not to just tell them to their face, that they are full of it.

Truly bad judgment by the producers to include/produce such content. It reflects badly on their credibility, if that even matters.

Maybe its all about money with them too, and they don't really care if they are hacks or not.

jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

hiss_N_Herps Jan 29, 2010 07:38 PM

I didn't see the shows. From the sounds of the posts here, especially from Tom C., I would almost bet that these people were paid to be included in the show AND they were probably scripted as to what the were allowed to say. Hey Tom Crutchfield, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you. You are definately an icon to our industry but if these guys were freinds of any sort with you before, I would suggest abandoning those ties ASAP. If my friends didn't have enough respect for me knowing what I was involved with and they didn't have enough integrity to get the whole story from me before they went spewing incorrect information all over kingdom come, they wouldn't be my friends for very long after that and I wouldn't hesitate to call them out on it.

Chris

TOM_CRUTCHFIELD Jan 29, 2010 08:41 PM

Both are well aware of the true story as you say particularly Joe. I'm going to discuss this with both and explain what damage this kind of stuff does although I believe both should know that already. I am very dissapointed about this whole thing....By the way since the guy's info would be a matter of public record anyway the guy whose horrible husbandry led to the venomous escapes was a Mr. Fred Dulan. I've known him since his Ohio days and unless he's had a born again herp awakening the same crap is going on now where ever he is. No more am I going to remain silent as this crap affects everyone everywhere. You may check Fl Fish and Game old arrest records and find this info anyway. I'm just making it easy...Sorry for the rant...THERE ARE NO WILD KING COBRAS RESIDING HERE...
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Tom Crutchfield
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EricWI Jan 29, 2010 07:26 PM

Here is a contact form everyone can use to contact the History Channel with their comments.
www.history.com/global/feedback/contact.jsp?site=HistoryChannel.com&NetwCode=THC
or you can send comments directly to A&E at feedback@aetv.com

Here is what I sent:

To whom it may concern,

I recently watched a program airing on January 27, 2010 on the History Channel titled "Monster Quest: Giant Pythons in America" and "Monster Quest: Giant Killer Snakes". I must say that these two programs were likely THE WORST cases of hype, misinformation, and outright speculation I have thus seen aired on the History Channel.

Both programs referenced the recent USGS report by Rodda and Reed on the expansion of the Burmese python and other 8 species of constrictors in the United States based on climate changes. However, these reports are fundamentally flawed in that they examined ONLY climate as a factor, when in truth, there are many other factors that would significantly influence and limit the distribution of exotic species of snakes in the US. Furthermore, this USGS report has in fact been deemed "unscientific" by an independent panel of 11 herpetologists and other scientists. Please review these documents by Dave and Tracy Barker regarding Burmese pythons in South Florida:
http://usark.org/uploads/Tympanum.pdf
http://usark.org/uploads/DistributionBurmesePython.pdf
http://usark.org/uploads/Burmese&Florida_(July_2009_compressed).pdf
http://usark.org/uploads/ReedRodda_Review_BarkerBarker2010.pdf
http://usark.org/uploads/ComeOutOfCold_BCHS.pdf

The amount of false information, outright speculation, and scare tactics utilized in the programs was absolutely astounding and completely unacceptable to myself and many History channel viewers. For example, It is entirely ludicrous that anyone, much less Joe Wasilewski, would firmly believe that Burmese pythons, or any other exotic boa or python species, could possibly survive, thrive, and reproduce in New York City's central park or elsewhere in the US based on the flawed and unscientific USGS report. Another astounding example of blatant lies and misinformation was when the narrator stated that pythons and cobras could hybridize! It does not take an expert herpetologist to realize that this statement entirely false. While snake hybrids of similar species in a same genus have occasionally hybridized in captivity, NO evidence of such hybridization in snakes has been so far been documented in South Florida or any other location in the United States. As it stands at this point, the issue of hybridization in the Everglades is purely speculative. Even if such hybridization did occur, the offspring would likely be sterile or infertile and certainly not the "super snakes" that the programs wildly claim. The program also wildly speculates that King Cobras (Ophiophagus hannah) are thriving in South Florida based on the capture of only ONE known escaped specimen. No other king cobras have been found to my knowledge surviving and reproducing outside of captivity in Florida.

Very little factual information at all was conveyed in both of these programs, with the possible exception of mentioning Hurricane Andrew as a factor for the snake's release and Wasilewski's statement toward the end of the program that venomous snakes and pythons could not possibly hybridize. After watching these two programs, It seems to me that the primary intent behind the programs is to simply incite even more fear and misunderstanding towards snakes by the general public rather than to provide quality, educational programming. I am most disappointed to say, that if the History Channel does not provide the informative quality programming that many of its viewers expect and deserve, I WILL NO LONGER be patronizing your channel. Thank You.

Jaykis Jan 29, 2010 10:05 PM

It's all about ratings. 100% Ratings bring in money, advertisers pay for ratings. The truth? Lost. Not important to them.

Jaykis Jan 29, 2010 10:14 PM

Has it been mentioned anywhere in the USGS survey of what the time frame is for their projection of the Burm move? And what happens to the rest of the US coast if it got that warm? In my state of Md, Sen Cardin was afraid that Burms would breed on the Eastern Shore, where I live. Considering the very slight altitude of the terrain, the state would have far more issues than Burms breeding, as well as the entire state of Fl. could be under water.

natsamjosh Jan 29, 2010 10:55 PM

>>Has it been mentioned anywhere in the USGS survey of what the time frame is for their projection of the Burm move? And what happens to the rest of the US coast if it got that warm? In my state of Md, Sen Cardin was afraid that Burms would breed on the Eastern Shore, where I live. Considering the very slight altitude of the terrain, the state would have far more issues than Burms breeding, as well as the entire state of Fl. could be under water.

You are probably right, but imo it's not really (or shouldn't be) relevant at this point, since it's speculation based on speculation based on speculation based on a speculative 100 year climate projection. (My weatherman can't even get the 5 day forecast correct most of the time.) And some "experts" now say we are entering a mini-ice age for the next 20 or 30 years:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/11/years-global-cooling-coming-say-leading-scientists/

So IF the pythons even survive this recent cold snap, and IF they survive the mini-ice age IF that happens, and IF there is even evidence the pythons would move north out of the Everglades, and IF there is evidence they could even get past all the natural and manmade barriers blocking a northerly migration, and IF global warming occurs as the USGS guys predicted.... There are too many if's. That's why the USGS analysis is so bogus, so many words like "possibly", "may", "might", "could" in there publications.

Have you seen this yet:

http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/news/chiefeditor/2010/01/usgs-defends-study-thast-sugge.html

Having said that, you are probably right, and if your argument sways anyone, more power to you!

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