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I have the worst time getting this girl to pose. Wish I could get better but it'll have to do for now.

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Jeremy Pierce
Shade Tree Exotics
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I know isn't on exactly the right forum, but I wanted to share her here anyway. A generic female that I like alot.

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Jeremy Pierce
Shade Tree Exotics
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>>I know isn't on exactly the right forum, but I wanted to share her here anyway. A generic female that I like alot.

Cool narrow "butterflies" and twin spotted single alternates.....
Kinda blue/gray too....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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That is a beautiful alterna, Thanks for sharing the photo.
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Michelle
www.AssortedSerpents.com
All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all.

>>I have the worst time getting this girl to pose. Wish I could get better but it'll have to do for now.

That granite is awesome Jeremy.....I wish I would have beaten you over to Mark's table that Saturday morning.....LOL

Great score......how big is it now? Female, right?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

>>I have the worst time getting this girl to pose. Wish I could get better but it'll have to do for now.

Very, very nice!

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Josh Loehr

>>>>I have the worst time getting this girl to pose. Wish I could get better but it'll have to do for now.
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>>Very, very nice!

That's a female too, right Josh?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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>>That's a female too, right Josh?

Yes sir!
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Josh Loehr

>>>>That's a female too, right Josh?
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>>Yes sir!

Has anyone else noticed that ALL of the Mex Mex with high saddles that do not reach their ventrals are females?
I am not saying that all female Mex Mex have this trait, but all of the Mex Mex that show this ARE females......The specimens with saddles that point down and touch their ventrals are both males and females...

I don't know if this is dimorphism or not, but I would like to see a male with high saddles....So if anyone has one could you post a picture of him?

All of these females have high saddles......

Picture courtesy of Ryan Hoyer...

Picture courtesy of Edz Exotics.....

Another thing I've noticed is that the classic males generally look nicer, cleaner & brighter than the females.....But I've seen some REAL NICE females with awesome coloration too....

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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I screwed up the picture credits....The first picture is courtesy of Ryan Hoyer not the third pic.....That is a picture I took of the granite female I have here on loan from Shannon Brown....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

>>Has anyone else noticed that ALL of the Mex Mex with high saddles that do not reach their ventrals are females?

Very interesting, John. I remember you mentioning that a time or two before. Here's another angle... Have you seen any that haven't been either dark or granite?

BTW, #2 pic has a very knoblochi-esque pattern.
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Josh Loehr

>>>>Has anyone else noticed that ALL of the Mex Mex with high saddles that do not reach their ventrals are females?
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>>Very interesting, John. I remember you mentioning that a time or two before. Here's another angle... Have you seen any that haven't been either dark or granite?
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>>BTW, #2 pic has a very knoblochi-esque pattern.

Yes...I have 2 females that have high saddles and are classics (not black or granite)....

Also......Has anyone ever seen a totally speckled male granite Mex Mex? It seems all of the totally speckled ones are females....The best granite male I have seen (I have him) has red saddles and speckles, but the female (like Jeremy's) is totally speckled.......

Even the totally speckled alterna are usually all females....

I can even go so far as to say that most male mexicana and ruthveni are more colorful....NEARLY all the "Earth-Toned" thayeri are females.......And the brightly colored/clean thayeri and Mex Mex are males......Ruthveni females' light colored bands dirty up way more than the males......

These are just some of my observations over the last 15+ years messing with Mexicana....

I think it shows the relationship birds have with reptiles....male birds have the colorful "plumage" and females do not...

Does anyone else have anything to support or dispute any of my observations? If so, I would love to see/hear them since this subforum has been dead for months on end......
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John Lassiter
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I can neither substantiate or refute these claims, in my limited experience with thayeri, it seems to be the norm, although Walt and Mildred threw some serious screamin' orange and red girls in their last clutch of 13, 9 were females.

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Todd Hughes

>>I can neither substantiate or refute these claims, in my limited experience with thayeri, it seems to be the norm, although Walt and Mildred threw some serious screamin' orange and red girls in their last clutch of 13, 9 were females.

yep...But you can't go on hatchling looks alone.....What do all of them look like as adults? I bet the females speckled out more than the males did or will.......
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John Lassiter
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I didn't keep any males, and they are another year from "adulthood" but so far, they are still orange with no freckles, Walt had lots on his face.

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Todd Hughes

>>I didn't keep any males, and they are another year from "adulthood" but so far, they are still orange with no freckles, Walt had lots on his face.

Okay...Please show me some pictures......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Stunning -- she should get better with every shed. Good luck with her!

Tom

I agree, stunning, all three!
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Todd Hughes