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They need to be more fair with this

Aaron Jan 28, 2010 08:53 PM

"Until potential reptile owners are given IQ tests... "

I'm guessing that was said in jest but seriously passing some sort of basic test in order to be permitted to obtain the big 9 is a much better idea than a total ban.
The other thing is many localities of Boa constrictors don't get very large at all. Tarahumaras, Hogg Isles and some of the other island forms have small adult sizes, are being bred by only a handful of people that are generally experts and are basicly only being purchased by experts, or aspiring experts.
The whole thing is way too reactionary and just has not been very well thought out. Sitting back and allowing this too happen will set a bad precident and further embolden those who want all herps banned.

Replies (6)

LIRepman76 Jan 28, 2010 09:02 PM

What about an educational course?
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Please don't talk about snake prices when my wife is around!!

Aaron Jan 28, 2010 10:37 PM

Really what I would want would be an information booklet and a test for buyers. This could be done online or by mail.
The buyer would also have submit a description of the caging they will be able to provide.

There may be a few other considerations like the buyer must submit a signature from a vet stating that that vet is willing to treat or euthanize the animal(s) should the need arise. This could be a standard form that comes with the booklet & test.

Another form to be included would have to be signed by a reptile rescue that would be willing to take in the animal(s) if the buyer is no longer able to keep it. The buyer could skip this form if they are willing to pledge that they will have their vet euthanize the animal(s) if they can no longer keep it.

This should be run jointly by the government and vets. Vets would have to be accredited by the government just like smog checks are done with service stations. The government would charge a small fee for managing the paperwork and the vet would recieve a larger fee which would basicly be a prepaid euthanasia. That way euthanasia would be paid for before the buyer even gets the animal, which would eliminate the economic incentive a buyer might have towards simply letting the animal go. Since this fee is prepaid, and because most buyers are not going to end up euthanising their purchase it does not have to be as large as what a normal euthanasia would cost.

I also don't think Boas should be included in this at all except maybe on a state level.

HondoAberrant Jan 29, 2010 01:53 AM

All good suggestions...
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
0.1 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
1.2 T pos Sinaloan

Ameron Feb 02, 2010 05:05 PM

I was among those advocating such a ban, but as the discussion develops, I see good points raised, defended by logic, reason &
specific examples

You have swayed my opinion somewhat. Thanks especially to the prior post above that quoted chapter & verse on the USFG politics about ENP.

Ameron
Portland/Vancouver
1.0.0 L. g. californiae (Carlsbad wide-banded morph)
1.0.0 L. t. gaigeae

HondoAberrant Jan 29, 2010 01:51 AM

I was kinda being serious...I have seen kids buying Retics with their parents at a local reptile store, and you know that no 10 year old should have a retic...Anything that is a threat to local habitats if released should be restricted, a lot. And anything that is captive bred that will get huge should not be sold to people that dont know how big they will get or how much it will cost to feed them.

Anyway, that my take on this.

If something gets banned, or is no longer allowed to be sold across state lines, breeders will adapt and sell something else. I remember when Ball pythons only had one morph - normal.
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
0.1 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
1.2 T pos Sinaloan

Aaron Jan 29, 2010 08:59 AM

I can only partially agree with your last statement about breeders simply selling something else. I am mostly worried about 2 unreasonable precidents being set. One is that the big 9 do not present an invasive threat in most of the country. Two is that Boa constrictors should not be considered big.

If we allow these precidents to be set it is only proving that they can get away with passing unreasonable laws.That only sets the stage for and encourages more unreasonable laws being passed.

A side effect of this law is that a significant portion of the hobby will go underground. Those people who choose to go underground will then be less able to fight any future unreasonable laws. Hence the hobby is weakened, setting the stage for easier passage of increasingly unreasonable laws.

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