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hi new to this site and new to breeding, i was wonder if anyone could tell me what i would get when i cross a male anxanthic with a female caramel albino. i know there both reccesive but i just dont get all the ins and outs of genetics. i would like any help on the subject thanks.

This problem involves two gene pairs in each snake.

1. The axanthic has a pair of axanthic mutant genes. The corresponding gene pair in the caramel albino snake is made up of two normal genes.

2. The caramel albino has a pair of caramel albino mutant genes. The corresponding gene pair in the axanthic snake is made up of two normal genes.

When mated, in the first gene pair, all the babies have an axanthic mutant gene from the axanthic parent and a normal gene from the caramel albino.

In the second gene pair, all the babies have a caramel albino mutant gene from the caramel albino parent and a normal gene from the axanthic.

This makes all of the babies normal-looking double het snakes. They can pass one or both of the mutant genes to their babies, but they do not show the effect of either mutant gene.

By the way, the normal gene that pairs with the axanthic mutant gene is not the same as the normal gene that pairs with the caramel albino mutant gene.

Clear as mud?

i think the op would like to know what the morph would look like or if it hads been made i would be interesed as well to know

I know that The Snake Keeper created double hets with their line of axanthic (also they call caramel "xanthic" quite a while ago. A friend of mine has a pair but I haven't asked for an update for a while. A couple years ago when I was following it closer I remember hearing that TSK thought they where hatching the combo but didn't hear back. Sort of remember maybe they hit it the next year but I don't see it listed on the ballpython.com morph page so maybe not. Might turn out to be a really cool combo. Suppose something snow like but maybe different.

FYI there are some questions if caramel females can lay good eggs (you mentioned caramel female in your pairing). I've heard second had that at least one breeder has produced with them so there might not be a problem or it could be like the caramel kinking issue where apparently some variable eliminates the problem in some collections.

On the kinking issue I've corresponded with three different caramel breeders having various length kink free strings that all happen to feed rats fed Mazuri 6F. Not a ton of data to be sure of anything but I'm wondering if the caramel mutation can be partially compensated for by some special nutritional requirement not needed by normal for caramel ball pythons.