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Response from Sen. Durbin

NUCCIZ_BOAS Feb 02, 2010 03:55 PM

Dear Mr. Antonucci:

Thank you for contacting me regarding efforts to list pythons as injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act. I appreciate hearing from you, and I understand your concerns about the potential impact of this listing on pet owners and hobbyists.

The introduction of nonnative, invasive species to the United States is cause for serious concerns. These species can have a negative impact on our environment, our economy, and human and animal health.

Senator Nelson of Florida has introduced legislation (S. 373) that would list nine species of pythons as injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act. He argues that, as a nonnative species, pythons have the potential to cause serious harm to Florida's ecosystems, in particular the Everglades. Pythons have been found throughout Florida, and several species pose a high risk due to their ability to adapt to new environments, their lack of natural predators, and their rapid reproduction rate.

If passed, S. 373 would prohibit these species of pythons from being imported into the United States and from being transferred between states. The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee has approved S. 373, and the measure now awaits further action by the full Senate.

In addition, the Interior Department announced recently that the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) will propose to list the same nine species of pythons as injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act. The FWS is expected to issue its proposed rule for the listing in February. The proposed rule would then be subject to a 60 day public comment period.

Many pet owners and hobbyists have expressed concerns about the possible effect that S. 373 and the FWS proposed rule could have on the pet trade industry. Supporters of the bill note that listing these species of pythons under the Lacey Act would not prohibit domestic breeding or prohibit individuals from selling pythons within their own state.

I will keep your concerns in mind as the Senate further considers this issue.

Thank you again for your message. Please feel free to keep in touch.

........... Pretty decent detailed response, I love the way he says that the bill "will not prohibit domestic breeding or prohibit individuals from selling pythons within their own state."

Im sure most of you heard that Bill Kirby has recently been forced to sell off his collection, and also I forget who posted it, 2 weeks ago I saw the law for.... New York? Something along the lines of "possession of these 9 species will be punishable by felony!"

Not to mention, obviously it will be the end of our shows, Daytona, Tinley, etc. They seem so ill-advised, or just ignorant to all of the facts.

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jsschrei Feb 02, 2010 04:10 PM

I think that the politicians do not understand the importance of being able to sell or buy to/from others states is vital to the industry.

They will use "will not prohibit breeding and selling within their own state" as one justification to pass this bill and say that we are just griping.

I sent a letter to my Senators (unfortunately Feinstein and Boxer) about how many animals I have purchased in 2009 from other states and explained that it is important for the genetic strength (reduce inbreeding) to be able to do so.
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Joel_Thomas Feb 02, 2010 04:41 PM

I really like how he states that he understands your concern....like he is so well connected with people of ILL.

Then he starts to explain all the B.S. that has been "found" to be fact by the researchers that these pythons will spread through out the south east.

Shows that Durbin will listen to special interest and not the people who actually employ him.

November the 2nd is coming up remind him who he works for.
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LarM Feb 02, 2010 05:05 PM

Senator Durbin one of my Senators from IL. contacted me with
an E-mail response today also.

He does appear to be updated on this issue, but I'm not happy
with what I'm hearing

I only hope the FWS will cover the listing in a fair scientific and objective
manner.Which should allow us to come in on top of the issue

Negating the need for S373 / HR 2811 to move any further. Taking this
matter out of Congressional hands ( senators & representatives)

The E-mail :
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February 2, 2010
Mr. Larry Micklevitz

Dear Mr. Micklevitz:

Thank you for contacting me regarding efforts to list pythons as injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act. I appreciate hearing from you, and I understand your concerns about the potential impact of this listing on pet owners and hobbyists.

The introduction of nonnative, invasive species to the United States is cause for serious concerns. These species can have a negative impact on our environment, our economy, and human and animal health.

Senator Nelson of Florida has introduced legislation (S. 373) that would list nine species of pythons as injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act. He argues that, as a nonnative species, pythons have the potential to cause serious harm to Florida's ecosystems, in particular the Everglades. Pythons have been found throughout Florida, and several species pose a high risk due to their ability to adapt to new environments, their lack of natural predators, and their rapid reproduction rate.

If passed, S. 373 would prohibit these species of pythons from being imported into the United States and from being transferred between states. The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee has approved S. 373, and the measure now awaits further action by the full Senate.

In addition, the Interior Department announced recently that the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) will propose to list the same nine species of pythons as injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act. The FWS is expected to issue its proposed rule for the listing in February. The proposed rule would then be subject to a 60 day public comment period.

Many pet owners and hobbyists have expressed concerns about the possible effect that S. 373 and the FWS proposed rule could have on the pet trade industry. Supporters of the bill note that listing these species of pythons under the Lacey Act would not prohibit domestic breeding or prohibit individuals from selling pythons within their own state.

I will keep your concerns in mind as the Senate further considers this issue.

Thank you again for your message. Please feel free to keep in touch.

Sincerely,
Richard J. Durbin
United States Senator

RJD/hw
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Boas By Klevitz

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NUCCIZ_BOAS Feb 02, 2010 05:20 PM

I wonder if we could argue with them on a certain "major" point of theirs. They seem to be stressing on the fact that these 9 species are non-native, reproduce rapidly, and have NO KNOWN PREDATORS.

My argument with that is, everything has known predators. Lets look at alligators/Crocs. The single largest reptiles alive on the planet. They produce in large numbers, but anybody who watches Animal Planet can tell you that the survival rate of these babies making it to adulthood is slim. Less than 20%. Because as babies, these little alligators are picked up by birds, raccoons, snakes, etc.

Couldnt we make the same argument? There is plenty of things out there big enough to snack on some of these snakes, not just at neonate size, even well into sub-adult size. Plenty of birds, alligators, mammals, etc could eat them.

So yes, they may be a non-native species that is living in an environment to support reproduction, but realistically speaking, what are the odds of neonate boa constrictors/pythons/anacondas actually making it into adult hood before getting picked off by another animal as lunch?

Just something I happened to think of, I thought worth mentioning

LarM Feb 02, 2010 05:28 PM

I completely agree , even more so though what does this have to
do with IL. or any other State for that matter

The only State this whole issue is relevant in is Florida

Also if these people and Politicians would do the complete home work required

They would understand none of these species are found any where in
the northern part of Florida after winter

This will be blatantly apparent soon in my opinion

Problem is we cannot stop crazy animal fanatics from intentionally
releasing snakes at any point or time

I'm convinced they have been doing this already
in some of cases we've seen in the media of late

Hopefully we can make Politicians like Sen.Durbin understand
this issue more fully and completely

. . . Lar M
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