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What's th is called and has anyone got photos? I've seen it in other animals but not kings.

Thanks

Axanthism x amelanism, and anery x amel are both forms of what are known as "snows", that are lacking both reds/yellows as well as dark pigmentation(melanin), thus a whiter looking snake.

~Doug
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dang. I was hopign axanthic x albino would result in blue...*pouts* I'd love to see a blue-ish kign.

Axanthism x amelanism, and anery x amel are both forms of what are known as "snows", that are lacking both reds/yellows as well as dark pigmentation(melanin), thus a whiter looking snake.

I always thought of a true snow to be from a T negative (red eye) albino.

T negative albino x Axanthic = snow

Lavender albino 9 t positive) x axanthic/anery= Lavender snow
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

That is EXACTLY how I see it too.

I will also say that the intricate dynamics of the way axanthism and anerythrism "actually" work in different animals pigment cells(chromatophores) is extremely confusing at BEST, and they can act in tandem and/or independently too with one another, affecting totally different things as well. We in the hobby generally try to simplify this confusion by giving snakes that have a particular "look"(phenotype)that basically corresponds to a very simple version of what we "might" already understand, but none of us know what really goes on inside some of these cells to make them display many of the looks that we see either...LOL!

Simple amelanism is pretty straight-forward of course, but with several other mutations, it many times is just "assumed" what might actually be responsible for the given "look", or even what it should best be called. Even the "lavender" gene is only "thought" to be caused by just the simple presence of tyrosinase, and probably certainly IS sometimes in certain snakes, but without laboratory "dopa" testing, this is only pure speculation as to if this is true in ALL the similar looks we see in many snakes across the board. There are many others too.

In any case though, I agree with your above examples of hose particular morphs.

~Doug
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Foreground-Lavender snow, T-negative albino ("true albino", T negative snow ("true snow", normal.

T-neg "true SNOW' on top, "lavender Snow" second, "Lavender albino" on bottom.

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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Simply put...Amel is an albino but albino does not necessarily mean Amel.

"Simply put...Amel is an albino but albino does not necessarily mean Amel."

SHUT UP CHRISTOPHER! ..Nobody asked you anything.

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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

LOL R.W. hypo and Axanthic are also Albino
according to modern education....which i neither support nor disagree
Newtons laws and Darwins theories make sense

"hypo and Axanthic are also Albino
according to modern education"

hmmm,......I can see why hypo, and especially extreme forms of hypomelanism would technically be considered "albino", but who is claiming that axanthism(lacking all yellow pigment) is a form of albinism??

Must be the same guys that call anerythristic cornsnakes "black albinos" huh??..LOL!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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In (1990) college we were taught that Amelanism, Hypomelanism, Anerythrism and Axanthism were all forms of Albinism.....
It seems the term albinism was/is used not only for the lack of black pigment but the lack or reduction of any pigment.....

I argued the fact with my professor since I knew about Hypomelanistic and Axanthic snakes at the time, but I did not win.....It seems our snake community has just taken the term "albino" to mean lack of black pigment.....So has many dictionaries......
When I hear albinism I still think lack of melanin.....

Our vocabulary evolves all the time.....LOL
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John Lassiter
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Yeah, there are are some pretty unorthodox ways of thinking and teaching out there. However, I don't think I'll be buying into that exact school of thought anytime soon though.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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I think some professor's personal opinions get in the way...probably why I got my first D in Political Science.....LOL
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John Lassiter
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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>>It seems the term albinism was/is used not only for the lack of black pigment but the lack or reduction of any pigment.....

I am under the impression the term albino was originally applied to mammals, which have only melanin: the absence of that one pigment produced white animals, which were called albinos. More specifically, they were amelanistic.

But when a tricolor king, for example, lacks melanin, it still contains skin cells producing red or yellow coloration. So they're not white, and are more properly called amels, but not albinos. Calling them albinos is sorta common-practice gone awry and probably too far out of the box to be put back in, like the "anerythristic" hondos that are actually hypoerythristic.

at least that's my take on it.

Right you are my man!!. Reptiles were a far away after-thought with the term "albino", and like you said, most mammal's only normally have melanin, but there are some exceptions to that.

It's funny,.... A while back, a good friend of mine was having trouble with the term "albino tricolors"(sound familiar?..LOL!), and saw this as an oxymoron. I explained all this to him in some detail, and it later made much better sense to him.

And yes again!,....I have always felt that the anery Honduran is probably an extreme form of hypoerythrism as well.

later, ~Doug
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I believe in the strict sense of the term albino, it can mean lack of pigment and not necessarily black.
:Mark
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Mark,........

Yeah,.....I certainly can appreciate where they are coming from on that technical standpoint, and that the lack of "any" pigment could be considered a form of albinism. But on the same token, I'm sure most have to agree with me here that in our complex hobby of colors, we have to be FAR more specific in our terminology of defining morphs and their specific gene mutation(s).

Like there isn't enough confusion in this hobby already..LOL!

~Doug
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