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Have these morphs been produced yet? Pics would be great!

Not yet as per my knowledge. Although there are albino, hypo, and hypo-erythristic pyros out there......there have not been any true anery pyros popping up anywhere to help create snows/ghosts.......there were, however, some anery pyros I personally saw back in 1993 but this line never perpetuated over the years unfortunately.......

I have a personal photo of one and I will post it once I locate it later this evening...
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Jerry Kruse
www.zonatas.com

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

I just gone checking out your site. Great job, very nicely done. Very informitive too. It rocks! The only thing missing was prices, I guess I will have to email ya on some stuff.

Jason

Thanks much. It's almost done, but a bit more remains. What amazes me is how you have the ability to rock so much great stuff youself.....i have about 55 adults and I get tired (granted most of the babies just don't take pinks right off the bat which equates to feeling like i have 155 some nights, LOL.

Anyway.....sure.....shoot me an e-mail. Always like to talk z's.
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Jerry Kruse
www.zonatas.com

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

I thought that Albino Tricolors was working with anery's or they are sumthing different?..That be great to see a picture of a true Anery!!!

btw here is a link to a pic that made me think Albino Tricolors was working with anerys.
Link

>>I thought that Albino Tricolors was working with anery's or they are sumthing different?..That be great to see a picture of a true Anery!!!
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>>btw here is a link to a pic that made me think Albino Tricolors was working with anerys.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

>>I thought that Albino Tricolors was working with anery's or they are sumthing different?..That be great to see a picture of a true Anery!!!
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>>btw here is a link to a pic that made me think Albino Tricolors was working with anerys.
>>Link

They're actually hypoerythristics--the red is reduced, not absent. Even "anerythristic" hondurans, which much more closely approximate silver compared to the pale orange/pink of the pyros, are hypoerythristic. But the hondos are so close to lacking red it's been impossible to undo years of people calling them anerys. I'm hoping we can make the hypoerythristic term prevail on the pyros.

I apologize in advance for any times in the past i called the pyros anerys. I know better.

>>I apologize in advance for any times in the past i called the pyros anerys. I know better.

this pic shows that by 2005 i was acknowledging the commonly used "anerythristic" term but putting the true phenotype in parentheses.

I wondered the same thing recently....And I don't think a Snow or a Ghost has been produced yet.....Nor can it without the true Anery mutation....But a Hypo-E Sentz Hypomelanistic would be close....LOL

How about:
A Hypo-E Applegate Special Pyro?
Or an amel Applegate Special Pyro.....
Or an aberrant Sentz Hypo?
Or an aberrant BHB Hypo?
Or an aberrant amel?
Or a hybino? BHB or Sentz line?
Or an aberrant Applegate Special Pyro?
Or an aberrant Hypo-E?

There's still lots to be seen in the Pyro Morph world....I think Jeff Teel has all the ingredients for all of the above......
I was thinking of trying to acquire some but I am going to wait......I do believe there is a hybino from the Sentz line that Terry Dunham has loaned to Jeff on a breeder loan....And Jeff was offering some 66% possible het for Hypo-Es on the classifieds last weekend......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

The ingedients is there for all to happen. The hybino-(which is a BHB hypo, as the BHB hypo and albino popped out of the same double het normal parents) anyone who knows about the black gap alterna where the hypo and anery. popped out of the same line, it is very close.

The hybino mentioned, as of now we are pretty sure it is. It has only been bred with a hypo het-albino, and the only thing to pop out is very pale hypos, and very pale albins-(hybinos). Now, in 2007 I hatched the first 100% known double homo pyro, a hybino-(the snake was a visual BHB hypo and albino) the parents were both BHB hypo het-albino. There was 2 eggs, and one was a hybino and the other a hypo. Now the albinos that come from the "thought to be hybino" are/were a little lighter than the 100% hybino. There are forsure more on the way, not in numbers, but they will pop up, as pretty much any albino is poss. het-hypo and any hypo poss. het-albino. It is actually a pretty cool project. Also include the aberrant to pop out of it, and who knows, we may be seeing some aberrant amels and hypos.

Now the "anery", is in fact a hypoE-(hypoerythristic) and acts much like the anery. hondo-(which many here have probably seen in person from hatchlings to adults and know the color change that happens). Same with the pyros, although very few have been hatched, they hatch purple-ish looking and lighten as they age. The original wc hypoE male was bred X normals-(from the same trail even, and there is 100% pure F-1's left), I have them and will always be some pure locale animals, but mix any other morphs in and the locality goes out the window, just how it is. How else can you have the double homo morphs....?. Terry Dunham had done a breeding-(with a loaned animal from Jason Baylin) with the hypoE X sentz hypo, making double hets-(which would be, in the hobby the double hets for ghost) call it what you will, either way the double homo will be a pretty neat looking snake-(I think anyways...LOL). He also bred the hypoE X applegate phase, I now have those animals, of the orginal 2.2, there is 1.1 left and they are adults and have thrown bad eggs so far, we will see in the future but to me, that will be the coolest looking double homo morph. The hypoE itself, so far has tossed out a couple semi aberrant normal 66% hets, and even one semi striped hypoE. There will be some cool stuff to see in the future from this gene I think. Last year I popped one out that has a very faint/small, about 5-7 red scales, an almost paradox type thing.

I also last year hatched a clutch of 100% double het applegate phase/"sentz" hypos. Now to me, this double homo might not be all that incredible looking. You are taking away the most dramatic aspect of the Sentz hypo trait, the color change in the black bands to a very neat lavender/brown as hatchlings to a beautiful coffe cream color in adults. The red/orange is more intense, same with the applegate phase...so maybe the double homo will be a very intense red/orange and the head cap a lovely coffe cream/brown-(if it has a head cap, I have hatched applegates that have very recuded head caps, as that is a trait that morph pops out).

There is a lot left/not done/to be seen in the pyro world of morphs. They are a slower growing snake-(I raise my montanes in a manner they would grow in the field, they grow long first, put weight on later) they are notorious-(pyrso especially) for fatty deposits when over fed-(I might get the "give them the cage they need and that will not happen", well I agree, but I don't give them the cage they need/want, instead a pretty basic captive set up, but I do live in the mtns and they have the cool dry mtn air and thrive and have so for close to 20 years now. I think there will be some cool looking pyro morphs to pop up in the next 10 years or so, given there has never been any double het albino/hypoE produced-(your double het snow in the hobby terms)it is still a long aways away till we se animals like that. But good things to those who wait I guess...?
Jeff

a cool looking "morph" snake-

WOW...
Thanks Jeff for sharing all your plans and info....
I am getting VERY interested in your Pyros and have visited your site alot in the last month or more.....

I think you are just as excited about your pyros as I am of the Mex Mex we will be breeding this year.....Some never seen before Mex Mex will surface in the next few generations starting this year I hope......

I wish you all the luck Jeff.....
Keep us posted when eggs hatch for you this year.....
And if you have any left overs I will take them......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Thanks John, if your checking the site...I'm sorry, that thing has not been updated since '06....LOL. Soo many snakes in the collection that are not there. Just in the field too much to get the time to get it re-done. I even have a buddy who is on stand by ready to get it going...once I get pics of everything-(close to 300 snakes now, so the collection is a bit much, might need to do a little down size...LOL).

The mex-mex are cool and an animal I hope to see in the field someday. A guy I know locally has the hypoE ones too and I seen them in person, really cool stuff. Best of luck to you on that stuff this year,peace,
Jeff

>>The hybino mentioned, as of now we are pretty sure it is. It has only been bred with a hypo het-albino, and the only thing to pop out is very pale hypos, and very pale albins-(hybinos). Now, in 2007 I hatched the first 100% known double homo pyro, a hybino-(the snake was a visual BHB hypo and albino) the parents were both BHB hypo het-albino. There was 2 eggs, and one was a hybino and the other a hypo. Now the albinos that come from the "thought to be hybino" are/were a little lighter than the 100% hybino.
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Jeff's doing a great job with the animals I had to give up several years ago. He's proven I put them into the right hands. (thanks, jeff!)

can you clarify your comments about the first hybinos, jeff, or maybe allow me to do a little of that and ask you some more questions!? I THINK you're saying the 2007 one you produced is the first "known" because it HAS to be that, because of the parentage: ANY amel produced from the hypo/amel X hypo/amel pairing has to be a hybino, because all the babies have to be hypos even though that may not be readily apparent on those that are amels. And the snake i speculated might be a hybino, that I produced in what, 04 or 05? (photo shows it with a "regular" amel) is the one you're referring to as "the hybino mentioned"?

It's always risky declaring an animal a hybino based solely on appearance, and that was the situation i was in. So I figured it was, but wasn't willing to declare it so until it was test bred. As Jeff points out, it's producing distinctive offspring, but only breeding it to a hypo and producing a substantial number of offspring, all of which are hypos, would prove it to be a hybino (the amel part is readily observable!) Jeff's production of a known, definite hybino is a breakthrough, because for the first time it allows us to see what a hybino looks like, for sure.

btw that early possible hybino i produced came from the BHB line that produced both albinos and hypos. Yep, the pyros are an exciting group, and yep, i miss them.