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PBS - Invasion of the Giant Pythons

webwheeler Feb 20, 2010 11:54 AM

They’re Big and Ready to Eat Florida
By NEIL GENZLINGER
Published: February 19, 2010

Flying into Florida for a winter vacation? If you look out the plane window once you’re near your destination and the ground seems to be writhing, it’s because the entire state is covered with pythons. Checking out the bathtub in your hotel room? Python. Looking in the back seat of your roller-coaster car at Walt Disney World? Python. Rental-car trunk? Restaurant toilet? Rest-stop trash can? Curbside mailbox? Python, python, python, python.

That, at least, is the impression you may have after watching the delightfully titled “Invasion of the Giant Pythons,” Sunday on PBS’s “Nature.” The news that Burmese pythons are loose and breeding in the Everglades and other parts of Florida has been known for a few years, but this program makes clearer the extent of the problem and some of the consequences.

How many pythons are out there? “Thousands,” we’re told. “Perhaps tens of thousands.” The program’s narration, given an extra jolt via the vocal talents of F. Murray Abraham, keeps referring to “the python army.” Motorists have to worry about running into pythons the way drivers up north fret about deer. (In a weird bit of synergy, when the program checks in on a researcher who has been cutting pythons open to see what they’ve eaten, we learn that one appears to have dined on an adult deer.)

The snakes can be 26 feet long and as thick as telephone poles, we’re told. But it turns out that not all of the blame for the infestation lies with pet owners who have released their pythons into the wild. Some got there courtesy of hurricanes that wrecked exotic-pet warehouses. We are left to make our own judgment of people who import and keep pythons and other exotic animals. That judgment is likely to be: “Idiots.” The federal government has proposed banning the importation of pythons and some other snakes.

More important than the possibility that drivers might run into or over pythons is that the snakes pose a problem for Florida’s many federally protected species. There is particular concern, the program says, that they may become established in the Florida Keys, home to an endangered wood rat. We see a line of traps that has been set up to try to stop pythons headed for that region. But earlier footage of a python devouring a grown alligator leaves the impression that these powerful predators are going to go wherever they want, traps or no traps.

If you’re already in Florida watching this program, you may find it too unsettling and feel the urge to change the channel. Be careful, though, as you’re poking between the couch cushions looking for the remote. Python.

Nature

Invasion of the Giant Pythons On PBS stations on Sunday night (check local listings). Produced by Image Impact Ltd. and Thirteen in association with WNET.org. Nigel Marven, producer. “Nature” produced by Thirteen in association with WNET.org for PBS. Fred Kaufman, executive producer; William Grant, executive in charge.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/arts/television/20pythons.html

Replies (17)

Jaykis Feb 21, 2010 02:22 PM

Has there ever been a 26 footer?

brhaco Feb 21, 2010 06:30 PM

Yes, but it was captive-lived in a shop in Illinois for many years-actually measured 27.5 ft. They ran a pic of it in Reptiles mag several years ago.....It was definitely a burm, not a retic which was my first thought when I heard about it the first time.
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

Breeder of:
Green Tree Pythons
Jungle Carpet Pythons
Pastel, Pinstripe, FIRE, Piebald, Clown, Lavender Albino, Leucistic, and Spider Ball Pythons
Striped Colombian Boa Constrictors
Kenyan, Rufescens, and Conicus Sand Boas
Red Phase Western Hognose Snakes
Spider Western Hognose Snakes
Albino Western Hognose Snakes
Locality Trans-Pecos Mexican Hognose Snakes
Southern Hognose Snakes
Eastern Hognose Snakes
Tricolor Hognose Snakes
Hypo Checkered Garter Snakes
Eastern Blackneck Garter Snakes
Stillwater Hypo Bullsnakes
Patternless Bullsnakes
S. GA Eastern Kingsnakes
Locality Desert Kingsnakes
Albino Desert Kingsnakes
Hypo Desert Kingsnakes
Mexican Black Kingsnakes
Desert Phase, Striped Desert, Newport, and Coastal California Kingsnakes
Locality Mexican Milksnakes
Spotted Mexican Milksnakes
Tangerine Mexican Milksnakes
Locality Alterna
Abbott Okeetee Cornsnakes
Mexican Baird's Ratsnakes
Cape Housesnakes
Tangerine Albino African Fat -Tailed Geckos
Locality Spotted Turtles

brhaco Feb 21, 2010 06:33 PM

A link:

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/reptiles/burmese-python.html
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

Breeder of:
Green Tree Pythons
Jungle Carpet Pythons
Pastel, Pinstripe, FIRE, Piebald, Clown, Lavender Albino, Leucistic, and Spider Ball Pythons
Striped Colombian Boa Constrictors
Kenyan, Rufescens, and Conicus Sand Boas
Red Phase Western Hognose Snakes
Spider Western Hognose Snakes
Albino Western Hognose Snakes
Locality Trans-Pecos Mexican Hognose Snakes
Southern Hognose Snakes
Eastern Hognose Snakes
Tricolor Hognose Snakes
Hypo Checkered Garter Snakes
Eastern Blackneck Garter Snakes
Stillwater Hypo Bullsnakes
Patternless Bullsnakes
S. GA Eastern Kingsnakes
Locality Desert Kingsnakes
Albino Desert Kingsnakes
Hypo Desert Kingsnakes
Mexican Black Kingsnakes
Desert Phase, Striped Desert, Newport, and Coastal California Kingsnakes
Locality Mexican Milksnakes
Spotted Mexican Milksnakes
Tangerine Mexican Milksnakes
Locality Alterna
Abbott Okeetee Cornsnakes
Mexican Baird's Ratsnakes
Cape Housesnakes
Tangerine Albino African Fat -Tailed Geckos
Locality Spotted Turtles

Jaykis Feb 21, 2010 07:43 PM

yeah, had to be a retic. Burms just don't get that big. Well, the show was ok, not real biased, but still had errors. Mike Rochford got some face time, Crutch was thanked in the credits, Shawn also was in it...and a few others from these boards. On the whole, much better than I expected.

brhaco Feb 21, 2010 07:58 PM

I agree-much better than expected-not perfect but far more factual than previous efforts.

Actually "Baby" was definitely a burm-the pic in Reptiles magazine was very clear.
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

Breeder of:
Green Tree Pythons
Jungle Carpet Pythons
Pastel, Pinstripe, FIRE, Piebald, Clown, Lavender Albino, Leucistic, and Spider Ball Pythons
Striped Colombian Boa Constrictors
Kenyan, Rufescens, and Conicus Sand Boas
Red Phase Western Hognose Snakes
Spider Western Hognose Snakes
Albino Western Hognose Snakes
Locality Trans-Pecos Mexican Hognose Snakes
Southern Hognose Snakes
Eastern Hognose Snakes
Tricolor Hognose Snakes
Hypo Checkered Garter Snakes
Eastern Blackneck Garter Snakes
Stillwater Hypo Bullsnakes
Patternless Bullsnakes
S. GA Eastern Kingsnakes
Locality Desert Kingsnakes
Albino Desert Kingsnakes
Hypo Desert Kingsnakes
Mexican Black Kingsnakes
Desert Phase, Striped Desert, Newport, and Coastal California Kingsnakes
Locality Mexican Milksnakes
Spotted Mexican Milksnakes
Tangerine Mexican Milksnakes
Locality Alterna
Abbott Okeetee Cornsnakes
Mexican Baird's Ratsnakes
Cape Housesnakes
Tangerine Albino African Fat -Tailed Geckos
Locality Spotted Turtles

TOM_CRUTCHFIELD Feb 21, 2010 08:56 PM

You can thank the cat part for me. I practically had a tantrum to include the damn cats which he did. Also the plethora of native predators was great. A big part of that was filmed in my yard...LOL
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Tom Crutchfield
www.tomcrutchfield.com

Jaykis Feb 22, 2010 10:57 AM

Tom, I thought that driveway looked familiar when the guy goes around the python on the road.

PHFaust Feb 22, 2010 12:29 AM

>>yeah, had to be a retic. Burms just don't get that big. Well, the show was ok, not real biased, but still had errors. Mike Rochford got some face time, Crutch was thanked in the credits, Shawn also was in it...and a few others from these boards. On the whole, much better than I expected.

Actually it was a very obese burmese. Saw it in person many years ago when I first got into the reptile hobby.
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Cindy Steinle
PHFaust
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Jaykis Feb 22, 2010 10:59 AM

Wasn't there a huge retic at the New York zoo? There's a pic in either a Ditmars or Pope book of one.

Jaykis Feb 22, 2010 11:03 AM

My mistake. Highland Park zoo, Pittsburgh. Pope's Giant Snakes, page 45. 28.5' long, 37.5" girth, estimated weight was 320lbs. Retic. Two good pictures of it.

snakes718 Feb 22, 2010 11:44 AM

Samantha, the Retic in the Bronx Zoo , died a few years ago.
I believe she was 27 feet. Originaly from Thailand, if I remember correctly.

TOM_CRUTCHFIELD Feb 21, 2010 09:31 PM

Jay, you have NO idea how scared I was that I had help make a film similar to the NatGeo film. I have been horrified waiting and hoping. NatGeo used to be the standard other film makers strived to be like in terms of science and facts. What has happened to them? This PBS film wasn't perfect but it's BY FAR the best yet while NatGeo has been the absolute worst. In any event I'm somewhat relieved that it's finally out and my imagination is NO longer running amock with worry....
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Tom Crutchfield
www.tomcrutchfield.com

brhaco Feb 21, 2010 09:37 PM

LOL-I can imagine, Tom-after seeing how the "Monsterquest" thing came out, and the reaction in the community. I'd have been terrified too.

But all's well that ends well-whatever your part in it-great job!
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

Breeder of:
Green Tree Pythons
Jungle Carpet Pythons
Pastel, Pinstripe, FIRE, Piebald, Clown, Lavender Albino, Leucistic, and Spider Ball Pythons
Striped Colombian Boa Constrictors
Kenyan, Rufescens, and Conicus Sand Boas
Red Phase Western Hognose Snakes
Spider Western Hognose Snakes
Albino Western Hognose Snakes
Locality Trans-Pecos Mexican Hognose Snakes
Southern Hognose Snakes
Eastern Hognose Snakes
Tricolor Hognose Snakes
Hypo Checkered Garter Snakes
Eastern Blackneck Garter Snakes
Stillwater Hypo Bullsnakes
Patternless Bullsnakes
S. GA Eastern Kingsnakes
Locality Desert Kingsnakes
Albino Desert Kingsnakes
Hypo Desert Kingsnakes
Mexican Black Kingsnakes
Desert Phase, Striped Desert, Newport, and Coastal California Kingsnakes
Locality Mexican Milksnakes
Spotted Mexican Milksnakes
Tangerine Mexican Milksnakes
Locality Alterna
Abbott Okeetee Cornsnakes
Mexican Baird's Ratsnakes
Cape Housesnakes
Tangerine Albino African Fat -Tailed Geckos
Locality Spotted Turtles

Mcdowelli76 Feb 21, 2010 11:05 PM

Tom, You can breath easy having your part in that show. This has shown a very important fact. PBS and Nature are funded by donations and grants, Yet was the closest to a even look at the situation. All the other stations that sold out look even worse when you take that into account. Not perfect but a far cry from the fear mongering on all the others.

biophile Feb 25, 2010 06:51 PM

The other networks are out to sell something to the viewers. Sell for those who advertise with them or to sell an idea, thought or false reality to promote sensationalism. Ratings. The details might be too much for a public that gets info in little sound bites and thus does not get to process the information. Funny our species has come so far due to our big brains and now we believe media which is so patently scripted and polarized. My dad should be rolling over in his grave right now.

emysbreeder Feb 26, 2010 12:25 AM

They showed it again tonight 25th. I saw it and thought it was very good compaired to the others by far. This should be the one the schools get being PBS. NOW if we can just get that 15'EDB story off the internet! VM

dustyrhoads Feb 28, 2010 06:16 PM

I thought that it accurately represented the dire situation in South Florida. It's just very regrettable that so many herp populations there can ultimately be linked to the pet trade, whether blown out of a warehouse by a hurricane (more believable) or released. The fact that Phelsuma have been released only to be harvested by dealers is shameful and irresponsible.

Dusty R.
Suboc.com

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