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Does anyone know if there is someone that sells the cages at any of the shows? I was almost willing to pay the extra to get them but them i saw that shipping is around $90 EACH for 4' cages. Almost everyone elses cages cost less and a good many have free shipping. If i can't figure something out i guess i'm gonna go with something else.

Don't know, but I can give you some benefits of Neos:

1. Tempered glass bypass doors - can't beat it.
2. Rounded corners - wait till you clean the cage, you'll love this feature.
3. Heats just as easy as any other cage.
4. Sloped front gives you the easiest access of any cage design.

I love Neos for the above reasons. Cage access is so very much easier with the sloped design, especially helpful with fast or aggressive species.
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Mark

>> Cage access is so very much easier with the sloped design, especially helpful with fast or aggressive species.

Someday some one needs to film two videos or a CGI version of how that work's. I've never worked with either so I can't wrap my brain around the concept that a slant is easier for hots.

Not calling you a liar, I'm just not educated enough to see the concept. I've never seen a Neo in person...
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Anerthrystic
0.0.2 Normal

1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

I think the reason it is easier to work with is to do with the slant fronts having slanted tops as well, so you can get at the animals more from above. When I sold almost all of my manufactured cages off the only 1 I kept was my slant front neo, it is more practical for so many more uses then the others were.
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Randall L Turner Jr.

I used to keep venomous and also am old enough to have lived when and where the "original" Neodesha-style slant-fronts were built from fiberglass with a baby blue gel coat. Anyone else remember them? Whatever that company was sold the design to Neodesha who wanted to mold them from ABS.

So I've been using this design since before Neodesha was making them. And yes, I do have some thoughts.

I think Randy makes a good point - the cages do allow an out and up motion for hooking venomous snakes with a bulky old-school hook. The very open look to the front and the slope does allow for a very quick look to determine when a snake is (or isn't).

The lip on top being where it is allows a cage to be picked up and moved to an easier to work location, which can be helpful with venomous. That lip is somewhat centered front-to-back so you can pick up the cage and carry it almost like a suitcase. Not the safest thing to do with the vent location but that is how a lot of us did it back then.

All that aside, I never did like how much effort it took to slide the doors open. Even if you radiused the acrylic or glass edge, waxed the track, or whatever, you usually had to hold the cage with one hand so it wouldn't slide while opening the door. You also could not operate the door with a hook very easily. None of these things are safe with venomous.

At any rate, I think they caught on with the venomous crowd because they were secure, locking and unbreakable, especially the old fiberglass onces. Of course Coral Snakes can squeeze out of one but that rumor never really spread in the pre-internet days.

They were basically our only choice and I think that faction of keepers just started to associate them with "the right way" to keep those types of snakes.

Just realized that back when these were made with fiberglass the design would have made them easier to remove from a plywood mold. That probably explains the design as much as anything.

>>Just realized that back when these were made with fiberglass the design would have made them easier to remove from a plywood mold. That probably explains the design as much as anything.

Thanks Chris that makes sense.

I had to go back and look and I failed to realize the top was slanted as well...sorta makes sense, especially for the time period.

For the record I've seen the blue, my first days of the internet were consumed by finding images online...I faintly recall old scanned images on someones site and they had cages I knew to be Neo's but they were bluish which I found interesting. I say site but it was really just basic html, frames and hyper-linked image numbers.
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Anerthrystic
0.0.2 Normal

1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

The "new" Neos glass door slides like butter. The 4 ft has aluminum track. The older ones - yeah, door was sticky.
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Mark

I kept some rattlesnakes (Crotalus v. helleri) in Neos back in the day. I can tell you from experience that no other cage style allowed easier manuevering with a snake hook and offered total viewing of cage contents before the door was opened. I think that is why these cages are popular with venemous.

And, when needed, the cage could be laid on its back so the glass door was on top - I had a 24 inch that I fed shy snakes in this way.
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Mark

Thanks Mark
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Anerthrystic
0.0.2 Normal

1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

I like all those options and would really prefer the neos, but i'm talking about 20 cages. Thats almost an extra 2000 bucks just in shipping. The cages are already more and I was going to build custon walls that the cages could slide into. The walls would cost me a bit, but their racks suck. They are only 3 high and about $440 a peice. I would need 7.

I understand. Regarding their metal racks - best cage racks I have used. Beats cage stacking. Complete access to cage underside for heaters, probes or inspection. They roll. They are stronger than anything.
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Mark

or plans for simple wooden racks with wheels for Visions from those of you with the know how,tools and inclination? HA!

Are the wheels spinning?

It's not like theres not Tons of folks with Visions out here! LOL.

I guess you wouldn't get the problems with bowing on the larger sizes I've read about 6' and larger?

You could use square aluminum tubing and nylon connectors like Sentec uses.

I think it would be fine for the 36" and smaller Visions.

For the bigger ones I would probably specifically pay the premium for the components from EZ Tube. Supposed to be very durable and strong.

Otherwise 80/20 or Outwater components should be fine.

Well I did some math. 21 Neo cages (to go with there discounts and racks) costs 4618.95. Shipping is 1889.79. Racks are 3037.93. Thats a total of 9546.67. I can get the same amount of boaphile for $4389. So that means i can get more than 42 cages from someone else for the same price as 21 Neos. I would like the neos, but it doesn't make sense. If someone has a number for them i would call and see if they would work with me. I can't find any contact info, and when in hit their contact link my computer says i don't have something set up right to use it. And while i got u guys talking about neos. What could you house in one of their 12" cages? They are not to badly priced but when i actually got out a tape measure and saw how small it was i couldn't think of anything other than hatchlings/babies that could stay in one.

My suggestion would be to go to a local fab shop and have them fab the metal rack for you. The square tube is usually on hand and it wouldn't be much per rack.

The reason I mention fab shop is you need so many, they might not do the work if it was just one.

Or find a supplier and buy a welder...

Lastly you could build racks just as easy, like chris said or with lumber. There are cost cutting means if you must have Neos.

Their eBay store list the rack for 385..
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Anerthrystic
0.0.2 Normal

1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

I can't find their ebay store. How do you get to it?

>>I can't find their ebay store. How do you get to it?

Search Neodesha..

The user name is neodeshaplasticinc...
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Anerthrystic
0.0.2 Normal

1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

You mean you don't have unlimited funds? lol

Yes, I get it. Not arguing your decision at all.

Jeremy has a point - buy a Neo rack, then take it to a metal shop and ask them to duplicate it. The nice thing is these racks do not need to be precise at all.
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Mark

>>Does anyone know if there is someone that sells the cages at any of the shows? I was almost willing to pay the extra to get them but them i saw that shipping is around $90 EACH for 4' cages. Almost everyone elses cages cost less and a good many have free shipping. If i can't figure something out i guess i'm gonna go with something else.
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As I said in the thread below they have their good points and bad like every other cage. Personally I'll take the Visions these days. but if you don't like them there are other options.

Pro-line, showcase,Boaphiles,sentec etc, just to name a few..

This is the second time I've seen this pic, does he really keep that Tiger in that cage?

One has to wonder...

I just saved the pic to my favorites because I liked the 2"x4" rack. It looks um interesting.........?

>>I just saved the pic to my favorites because I liked the 2"x4" rack. It looks um interesting.........?

Yeah I was going to mention it but...

Seams everything this week is revolving around the idea of non stacked cages, at least in my eye.

I'm slowly working the issue...
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Jeremy Payne
JB Reptile

1.0 Snow "Kahl"
0.2 Triple Het Moonglow "Kahl"
0.1 Orange Tail Hypo Het Leopard
0.1 Double Het "Sharp" Snow
1.0 Ghost
0.1 DH Ghost
1.1 "Kahl" Albino
1.0.2 Hypomelenistic
1.3 Pastel Hypo
0.1 Anerthrystic
0.0.2 Normal

1.1 Morelia Clastolepis

That saying.."Some days your the bug and some days your the windshield...."

My setup, I keep Crotalus sp, Najas e.t.c. with no problems

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