Reptile & Amphibian Forums

Ok quick question or two, what do you have to breed to get a ghost bloodred or hypo bloodred and If I bred a snow motley to a blood red what would the expected outcome be?

One more, sorry, where does the gold dust motley come from?
sorry more of a kingsnake person and I'm looking to pick up a pair of corns to possibly begin a breeding project.
Thanks in advance for the replies
Ronnie

Ronnie, a ghost bloodred is a hypo anery blood red corn. An anery blood is basically an anery corn whose pattern diffuses out due to the blood genes. You can see some faint traces, but not much. The ghost adds hypomelanism to the equation, just like a ghost is a pale anery corn. So its a lighter pale snake due to reduction of the black pigment with a diffused blood pattern. You can breed a ghost to a bloodred, or an anery to a hypo bloodred, then back breed the babies to get ghost bloods.

If you breed a snow motley to a blood red corn, you would get all normal babies het. for motley, anery, amel, and blood. Back breeding those babies to each other could theoretically produce normal and motley (patterned) normal corns, normal and motley anerys, normal and motley amels, normal and motley snows, normal and motely bloodreds, normal and motley amel bloodreds (fire), and normal and motley anery bloodreds (pewters). I quess you could also produce normal and motley snow bloods, but not sure what that morph is called or what it looks like. It may be opal. I am not sure how the percentages would fall out either with such a multi het breeding. Thats what make is fun LOL!!

Thanks for the reply, let me see if I'm understanding it. IF a ghost het for blood red was paired off with a blood red would I get normals, ghosts and blood reds?

NO. A ghost het. blood to a blood would produce normals het blood and ghost, and bloodreds het ghost.

>>NO. A ghost het. blood to a blood would produce normals het blood and ghost, and bloodreds het ghost.

ghost(anery/hypo) het bloodred to bloodred
would produce normals het anery het hypo het bloodred
or bloodreds het hypo het anery
you are right,of course, I just like to split it all the way down to anery and hypo instead of just ghost when listing possible breeding results. Just helps make things clearer.
-----
Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

_____

I did the math and here is how it works out.

If you breed 2 snakes that are both het for same 4 recessives:

single expression 23% chance (6% for each trait)

double expression 21%

triple expression 5%

and the Quad comes out at .4% (like winning the lottery)

but that also comes out to be the same odds that your normal lookers will be het for nothing.

There is about a 50% chance that each egg will express something.

Hope this helps.
-----
1 BP
4 Cal Kings 3 alb 1 het
3 Alb Corn
1 Rev Alb Nelsons

You can google this and download this neat little program. Keep in mind traits like butter are actually caramel/albino, etc. I used to have it on my old computer but never bothered to download it onto my new one. I need to do that tonight!! It answered a lot of questions for me when I started actually breeding corns in 2000. Its fun and easy. I am not sure how updated it is with all the new morphs that have erupted since I last played around with it.

Good Luck!
KevinM

I don't ever think it has been updated.. I play with it when I am feeling to lazy to let my brain pick through things.. *LOL*

Yeah, I just downloaded it recently when I remembered to do so. There are definitely some genotypes/phenotypes missing with all the new stuff. Ultramel is not even on it, much less any of the newer stuff. Its still fun to goof with and would probably work great with the older genes many newer breeders are working with.