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I was wondering if the bull snakes are in the species of catenifer or melanoleucus now.

Thanks

Jonas

What does it matter, it'll be the opposite tomorrow ;0

...for what it's worth, here's a link to the current CNAH list.
www.cnah.org/nameslist.asp?id=6

They have sayi in catenifer now.

By next year through DNA testing it will be a Thamnophis!!

?

Stripes and spots? Why not! Here's a garter gopher (as I sometimes refer to my SDGs)

In Kansas, unless something has changed in the last year, the Department of Wildlife and Parks doesn't even recognise the bullsnake as a species. They call it a gopher snake and list the species as Pituophis catenifer. No "sayi" anywhere. Go figure? Joseph Collins who is largely responsible for CNAH is in Kansas. Does the KDWP know something that no one else knows?
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Jeremy Pierce
Shade Tree Exotics
shade-tree-exotics@att.net

http://www.kingsnake.com/pituophis/species.html
This is what I am going by as the proper data. But what do I know, being a total newbie. I will say, there is such a huge difference between my bull snakes and my Pacific gopher snakes that no way should they all just be called "gopher snakes".
Here is my ball python x bull snake, a very rare species indeed:

LOL!

Pyro...is that called a royal gopher or gopher balls? Pretty snake either way!!!

Dan

although i'm currently down sizing, i guess i'm now gonna have to get me a male ball python. ;>] that guy is a definite keeper! actually though, any history of that gorgeous specimen? oh & btw, here is a pic of my patternless reticulated boa. cost me a boatload!........j/k

Nice reticulated boa LOL! Really, that is a beautiful animal. I am longing for some patternless myself. My ball x bull is really a bull snake, the female of my Kingsville red x Stillwater hypo bulls pair. She was camera shy and just stayed in this big knot for the whole photo shoot.

I do wish there was some sort of real consensus about naming snakes. My woodini pyros no longer officially exist but I have proof they are real; all's I have to do is look in my tubs and there they are!
" What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet"
From Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, 1600

The CNAH is actively in the process of doing away with subspecies all together. I'm no scientist, but I'll have to admit that I prefer keeping subspecies as it pertains to classification. They can call them gopher snakes if they like in Kansas but IMO a gopher snake and a bull snake are different animals. There are too many differences in scalation and other morphological characteristics to consider them anything else.

Phil

Couldn't agree with you more Phil!
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Jeremy Pierce
Shade Tree Exotics
shade-tree-exotics@att.net

I certainly appreciate all the diversity that Pituophis has to offer. I can't think of a group of snakes that are more interesting to me.

Phil