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The Python is a witch hunt for govenrment using the "invasive species" thing to get to people. What are they afraid of? They should be more afraid of the american crocodile than pythons. Or are they using th balance of the envornoment as an excuse or, or or?

Some of the worst invasive species are feral cats and red ants. I don't care what the biologists say about the pythons. It is all bologna.. After living in Hawaii and working at the zoo and learning about all the introcued species since captain Cooks arrival and more recently since i have been alive. AND just in since i lived there since the 80's. Many more species have been introduced and ARE reproducing in the Hawaiian islands. Everything in Hawaii takes, just like florida, only worse. Thing is, like the famous Jurassic park quote, "Life will find a way" most of the species do find a new balance. Most, not all! Now i challenge anyone reading this post to list what they think are far worse invasive species in Florida than pythons and list them here.

I will start:

Cats
red ants

name some more..!

Now there may be some good that the pythons can do in Florida. Like they eat cats and rodents and I am sure there are some other animals that would be beneficial to control.
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Homo sapiens

Homo sapiens

good one!
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Man, I am sure there are a ton of nonnative plants introduced in the Florida wilds as well, like our hyacinth problem here in the bayous of Louisiana. I find it funny how the nonnative anoles and small iquanid species that are competing with the native green anole arent really mentioned. You mention Hawaii, which is probably one the major producers of WC jacksons chams now, right? LOL!! I bet you wouldnt hear a peep out of folks, the USDA, USFWL, or anyone would care about jacksons chameleons established in Florida, even if they were preying on and devastating a native species like the green anole. Still, 10 plus foot snakes do have a way of bringing attention to themselves!!

Hands down, the worst.

Be more specific. Native American tribes lived in Florida with very little damage to the environment, but then came the Europeans...the human equivalent of red ants.

http://www.myfwc.com/WILDLIFEHABITATS/Nonnative_index.htm

that list says nothing of the red ants or cats.
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Oops, I thought we were adding to your list. Sorry.

Oops, I thought we were adding to your list. Sorry.

You are it is just funny how they list ALL the non native species (invasive) and not list those two. i am sure there are more than just what is on that list.

besides the rodents, fire ants and cats can anyone tell which is the worst invasive species in Florida?
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Killer bees are pretty bad, because they really can, and have, killed people. The same can be said for fire ants, but these things don’t get the publicity that slow dim witted pythons get. Killer bees can fly and nest anywhere, including any fancy gated community and are a threat when you are on a golf course, walking to your car at the mall, or mowing your lawn. The pythons threaten no one directly, and to me they are just filling in a void left by eliminating the other predators of foraging vermin like native indigos, kingsnakes, diamondbacks and water moccassins. Some snakes can not survive a habitat criss crossed with roads because they are more active hunters. It is almost ideal for an ambush type sedentary large bodied constrictor, hence they will flourish while the former’s altered habitat is no longer suitable to sustain them. They will be gone and the python will thrive. It’s quite a natural process, actually.

Hogs
Senior Citizens
mobile homes.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
6.6 African House snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
.1 corn snake
4.2 Florida Kings
1.2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
0.0.1 Argentine boa

I love your signature
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~Maggie~

"Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious."
1.1 Cal Kings (Spot and Fry)
1.0 Florida King (Gamble)
1.0 Ball Python (Mitch)
0.1 Red Belly Piranha (Fluffy)
1.0 Australian Shepherd (Spooky)
1.0 Springer Spaniel/Beagle mix (Snoopy)
0.1 Cat (Ecco)
0.1 Mountain Horse (Sandy)
0.1 Standardbred/Arabian Horse (Storm)
0.0.1 - foal on the way....

pigeons... just to name a few.

I thought the armadillos were a case of a natural range expansion?
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
6.6 African House snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
.1 corn snake
4.2 Florida Kings
1.2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
0.0.1 Argentine boa

Its a case of range expansion, though not necessary natural. It's considered to be a sort of man facilitated range expansion.

european humans

Yeah, definitely humans. Way more destructive. My favorite is all of our friends who buy fancy houses in subdivisions where they've leveled several hundred acres of forest. Then everyone plants saplings in their front yards. I can't be the only one who thinks that's ludicrous.
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1.2.0 Hondurans Het Amel
1.1.0 Hondurans Anery, Het Hypo
0.1.0 Honduran Hypo
0.1.0 Honduran Hypo, Het Anery
0.2.0 Pueblans
1.0.0 Pueblan Hypo
0.1.0 Corn Bloodred
0.0.1 GBK Blair's Phase
1.0.0 California King
0.1.0 California King Blue-eyed Blond
0.0.1 Speckled King WC
1.1.0 Brooksi Hypo
0.0.1 Jungle Carpet
0.1.0 Ball, Normal
0.0.1 Sulcata
1.2.1 Leopard Geckos, various morphs
0.1.0 Wife, Caucasius Mexicana

Humans...
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~Maggie~

"Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious."
1.1 Cal Kings (Spot and Fry)
1.0 Florida King (Gamble)
1.0 Ball Python (Mitch)
0.1 Red Belly Piranha (Fluffy)
1.0 Australian Shepherd (Spooky)
1.0 Springer Spaniel/Beagle mix (Snoopy)
0.1 Cat (Ecco)
0.1 Mountain Horse (Sandy)
0.1 Standardbred/Arabian Horse (Storm)
0.0.1 - foal on the way....

Can't forget Hogs and Dogs.
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Has the killer bees migrated to florida yet? cuz if they do then i would definately say them. I just cant remember if they have ever set up a colony there, but yet again im over 1000 miles from florida and dont know too much bout the state

The Extremely predatory Peacock Bass,"what were they
thinkin"

Chris,

I am not up on fish like you are. Can you explain what is bad about the Peacock Bass? Where did they come from ?
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

They are a cichlid (the biggest) and agressive feeders like a Largemouth will eat what it can swallow whole ,not only are the peacocks a major competitor for LM Bass but will eat them too and anything else that moves
But they are pretty and a good sport fish

The cichlids are even worse. It's hard to find any place where they haven't taken over. They seem to outnumber the native fish and who knows if they won't completely over take them. You never hear about the fish ruining the natural ecosystem other than snakeheads.

17 years ago I caught a couple mayan cichlids in a cast net. I put them in a large fish tank with around 12 jaguar cichlids that were larger than them. When I got home from schoool the next day day all of the jaguars were dead. The jaguars were rerally cool fish that would jump out of the water and grab a lizard out of my hands. It showed me how bad the mayans really were, now the mayans are everywhere and taking over.
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I went fishing off Alligator Alley in the early '90s. I musta caught a dozen large oscars. I hear they're good eating.

The Oscar too is a cichlid and yes they are good eats....Use to see them filleted in a reputatble fish market fictisciously named... look and taste good from clean canals

12 Jaguars in an aq. they must have been small
juvis ,juaguar=Managuensis
and the jags would have created havic as they matured because of parental brood protection in the near future without the intro of the mayans
The Mayans and all the substrate spawners including little convicts etc. have a LOW tolorance for any potentially dangerous neighbor within a glass box
They are not a predatory killer but they are territorial land bosses

The worst, in no particular order:

Fire ants
Feral cats
Feral hogs
Water hyacinth
Melaleuca
Brazillian Pepper
Mayan cichlids
Cuban treefrog
Climbing fern

By the way-someone mentioned "armadillos" above-but they are actually native to Florida.
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

Breeder of:
Green Tree Pythons
Jungle Carpet Pythons
Pastel, Pinstripe, FIRE, Piebald, Clown, Lavender Albino, Leucistic, and Spider Ball Pythons
Striped Colombian Boa Constrictors
Kenyan, Rufescens, and Conicus Sand Boas
Red Phase Western Hognose Snakes
Spider Western Hognose Snakes
Albino Western Hognose Snakes
Locality Trans-Pecos Mexican Hognose Snakes
Southern Hognose Snakes
Eastern Hognose Snakes
Tricolor Hognose Snakes
Hypo Checkered Garter Snakes
Eastern Blackneck Garter Snakes
Stillwater Hypo Bullsnakes
Patternless Bullsnakes
S. GA Eastern Kingsnakes
Locality Desert Kingsnakes
Albino Desert Kingsnakes
Hypo Desert Kingsnakes
Mexican Black Kingsnakes
Desert Phase, Striped Desert, Newport, and Coastal California Kingsnakes
Locality Mexican Milksnakes
Spotted Mexican Milksnakes
Tangerine Mexican Milksnakes
Locality Alterna
Abbott Okeetee Cornsnakes
Mexican Baird's Ratsnakes
Cape Housesnakes
Tangerine Albino African Fat -Tailed Geckos
Locality Spotted Turtles

The melaleuca has quadrupled in the past decade and it is a matter of time before spreads even more and catches fire.
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

....They tried to eradicate those, but to no avail after spending countless millions.

I didn't read every single post regarding this, but I think the good ol' South American Cane Toad (Bufo marinus) is responsible for killing MANY animals in south Florida. They have the very same problem with it in Australia. I know for a fact that many snakes and other animals are killed after eating, and even PLAYING with these deadly toads due to their large, very toxic poison glands located behind their eyes that excretes copious amounts of thick, milky white poison when ingested, or molested.

I'm willing to bet it is a major cause of kingsnake, Indigo, and other snake species decline.

I watched one of my moms showdog puppies die a horrible slow death right in front of me in the late sixties when not much was known about this nasty invasive creature.

I've hated those toads with a passion from that day forward, and they are literally EVERYWHERE in south Florida by the countless millions!!. I would hate to think how many animal deaths they are directly responsible for. I remember a documentary on TV that showed dead snakes in Australia with the corpse of Cane Toads still in their mouths. No doubt it is the same scenario in south Florida.

impact of cane toads

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my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

they have the same problem in Hawaii with the cane toad. TRhey brought them in intentionally. To eat the coakroaches, brilliant!
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"Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8".

"They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety." -Benjamin Franklin

I forgot the B. Marinus! Add that to my list at #10!
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

Breeder of:
Green Tree Pythons
Jungle Carpet Pythons
Pastel, Pinstripe, FIRE, Piebald, Clown, Lavender Albino, Leucistic, and Spider Ball Pythons
Striped Colombian Boa Constrictors
Kenyan, Rufescens, and Conicus Sand Boas
Red Phase Western Hognose Snakes
Spider Western Hognose Snakes
Albino Western Hognose Snakes
Locality Trans-Pecos Mexican Hognose Snakes
Southern Hognose Snakes
Eastern Hognose Snakes
Tricolor Hognose Snakes
Hypo Checkered Garter Snakes
Eastern Blackneck Garter Snakes
Stillwater Hypo Bullsnakes
Patternless Bullsnakes
S. GA Eastern Kingsnakes
Locality Desert Kingsnakes
Albino Desert Kingsnakes
Hypo Desert Kingsnakes
Mexican Black Kingsnakes
Desert Phase, Striped Desert, Newport, and Coastal California Kingsnakes
Locality Mexican Milksnakes
Spotted Mexican Milksnakes
Tangerine Mexican Milksnakes
Locality Alterna
Abbott Okeetee Cornsnakes
Mexican Baird's Ratsnakes
Cape Housesnakes
Tangerine Albino African Fat -Tailed Geckos
Locality Spotted Turtles

Bufo M. im from S.Dade and the toads were funny ,maybe not to the dog in the eve Toads would geet around the dog food bowl and start chompin down dry dog food LOL
I used to think they corraled there for an ocassional fly..
GOOD Beer talk as long as they stayed away from the grill....

The mela is another one the knot-heads introduced!Originally to help drain the everglades due to it's massive water intake.

human -cat- pig -etc...
add alot of plant species here
add alot of insect species that eat trees and plants we need/want
fish and shellfish....they make a difference...
more plants....

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reptiles and all are down here......
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