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I got this 08 female Arizona Mt king and was told it was a woodini(I know, not recognized anymore) along with two other 08 pyros. I contacted the breeder, who's original breeding stock came from the Huachuka Mountains and Chiricahua Mountains. He did not recognize this particular animal as one of his, although he did recognize the other two. He thought she might be some sort of cross. She is much bigger than her "siblings".
Her "brother":

Her "sister":

So you can see how different she is. I picked them all out myself at a reptile shop by going in the snake room and looking at the baby pyros in person.

Meant Huachuca Mts

It looks like someone's ruthvens X pyro project results. It is a really cool looking snake.
snake adventures

To be honest it looks like a Pyro to me. I have produce some abberant looking pyros in the past. My best friend Jeff Teel www.captivebredtricolors.com also had produce some cool looking pyros. Here is one from last year. I will look for some more photos... But you have one nice looking pyro sir.

Also copy and past this link and check this one out for measure
http://captivebredtricolors.com/images/snakes/collection/pmorphs/large/0014.jpg

http://captivebredtricolors.com/images/snakes/collection/pnorm/large/0012.jpg

Wow love the reduced black on yours and the previous girl.brings to Q? reduced black is different than hypo melanistic that is a a faded black on a specimen
The Clean-ness makes me want a definition ,love white contrast!

Well, by far not a pyro expert, and I have a pair of suspect pyros in my collection at the moment regarding pyro subspecies integrades. However, as far as your animal being a pyro, nothing screams not a pyro, except those crazy thick white bands. I doubt its a woodini due to the extremely high white band count. Could be a pyro pyro x pyro unknown, but it doesnt look like a pyro x milk, or pyro x other species cross to me. Hopefully someone with a better eye for hybrids or integrades will chime in.

Thanks, everyone for the info and nice comments. She is my favorite. Here is her future mate, my only male not related for sure. He also is a big beefy fellow who likes to eat! I am aiming to only breed the ones that like to eat, not the slow feeders. This is just for pets I will keep. I can't represent them as from any special locale, just pretty babies.

When there is a unique snake, such as in the first post, the origin is never known? Seems to me that if someone produced a pure pyro that looked so unique, the lineage would be well documented.
snake adventures

I feel fortunate to have even been able to locate the breeder of my other two pyros her age that I thought were her siblings.
Here she is as a baby:

She didn't look quite so radical then. It seems with my wide white banded 08 female I have something special. The older she gets the better she looks. I like the black, like what you would find in the wild if you lifted up a rock. Maybe my wide white banded girl is some sort of sport or natural mutation.
The reptile store I got them from has since changed hands, but I was able to contact the former owner, and hence the breeder. But the breeder didn't seem to think she was one of his. I recently bought two 09 pyros from this man, and he showed me his breeders going back 13 years, and none of them looked like my special baby with the big white bands.
Here is one of the 09 babies; in blue but shows the pattern common to his stock:

BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!

Thanks! I have to agree; they are the most satisfying eye candy!

A 13 year old "uncle" to my other pyros from this breeder. This snake has a story; when he was hatched in September he didn't eat until the following August. The breeder even put a lizard in with him but the lizard soon outgrew being an edible size and they became "room mates". He thought for sure this snake would die as he got very thin. But finally he started eating and is today this big beefy guy.