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Here is one I got off when I came home today. At this rate it'll be a good week before I get them all photographed.

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Gorgeous snake, Tony. I hope to see more of your animals in the coming weeks.

Your site is nice, too - Your philosophy on breeding and data/info. dissemination are exactly what I'd hope to get when buying an attractive, well-cared-for, and healthy animal. While I'm a locality guy at heart, it's second fiddle to honesty and integrity and can only be trusted when they come first.

-Cole

Thanks for the comp Cole. I do wonder how well you've thought out the agreeemnt on my use of locality data though. On this type of thing there is always the question of, do you believe and trust who I believe and trust? In this particular case you should also wonder whether or not I have the same standards of proof for a generic project as I would for a locality project.

In any case if I had wanted to deliberately bastardize these I could have bred them to syspila and jacked the phenotype up in one generation and just kept my mouth shut about it. Fact is most of the hets I produce still look like every wild caught coastal I've ever seen, and I kind of like that. They may not be locality but they remain authentic in my mind.
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Tony, not meant in any one way, but how many coastals have you caught? I know I have only caught a few but I live up here in Mass. They are super rare where you were in Va.Beach and they arent any more common in NC....I'd like a point of reference when you say your non locale babies look like any coastal you've had(or caught). Again, no offense. J

Including road kills I would say
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You would say ?? I ask because you are also a field guy who has lived in coastal plains territory as long as I have known about ya. Your luck/skill at finding them will let people have some idea how truely rare they are.

I have no idea what happened to that post!?!

Including road kills I've seen about 20 wc specimens from southern MD. My general "impression" is that though extremely variable southern MD stock tends to be more maroon colored than red.

I'll leave it at the number of specimens actually captured by me remains an extreme embarrassment.

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So you have seen 20 including road kills? Catching em is hard, in my 20 years of keeping them I have found only 6 myself. They are alot easier to find just outside the "coastal" area, I have a spot in VA I can find eastern/coastal intergrades just about every time down there. But those little red buggers are elusive. But they certainly dont all look alike to you,me or anyone. Thanks.

But even though I have only found 6, I have been lucky enough to have seen literally hundreds...Brad, Joey, Carl, Steve, and most of all....Chuck the snake man is legendary!

I do wonder how well you've thought out the agreeemnt on my use of locality data though.

I’ve considered it at great length, actually, and in this case it concerns me little. I’m far greater concerned with the passing along of information, and my experiences with you suggest that you’d be as honest and forthcoming as possible in this regard. Am I incorrect?

In this particular case you should also wonder whether or not I have the same standards of proof for a generic project as I would for a locality project.

I disagree. Since you’re not a locality-driven breeder, the argument you present above actually doesn’t make sense.

In any case if I had wanted to deliberately bastardize these I could have bred them to syspila and jacked the phenotype up in one generation and just kept my mouth shut about it.

See my comment above regarding my impression of your ethics concerning information sharing.

-Cole

"I’ve considered it at great length, actually, and in this case it concerns me little. I’m far greater concerned with the passing along of information, and my experiences with you suggest that you’d be as honest and forthcoming as possible in this regard. Am I incorrect?"

I don't think so but that I view locality so differently is bound to lead to misunderstandings and un-met expectations. This happens even when people see eye to eye on this subject. Look how badly Rick Blair was dragged through the mud on the GB forum.

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