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Breeding hondos without brumation?

hondorock Mar 11, 2010 10:15 PM

I have a few 08 hondos that were not brumated this year but they are all plenty big enough to breed. The female just shed and so did the male and no interest. Doe's anyone have a trick to arouse them to breed? The female is snow around 3ft and the male is a a hybino over 30inchs.

Replies (6)

Jeff Schofield Mar 11, 2010 11:05 PM

Without prejudice, you gotta read some books. There are many decent books on how to breed colubrids, and if you havent bred anything before I would sincerely appreciate that effort to get you to speed. Its a nice idea to get into breeding, but it takes time, effort, planning, etc... and just putting your male and female together without knowing all the factors that go into proper breeding is a bit foolhardy and even risky/dangerous. Experienced breeders have lost BOTH animals doing just the same thing. Like I said, I am not bashing you for being ambitious, but an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure in this case.
If you have bred before and know about brumating techniques, you will have noticed that those that are now breeding year round live in certain places and house their captives differently....and dont always share their successes. You might consider PMing them.

hondorock Mar 11, 2010 11:36 PM

I understand what you mean and I have been reading books and checking out hundreds of sites and these forums for years now and been planning to breed snakes for awhile. I have bred some of my snakes before, kingsnakes in particular, but have never tried to breed milksnakes without brumating, so this part is kinda new for me since i've never tried it. I'm just having trouble finding the how to's and tricks.

Jeff Schofield Mar 11, 2010 11:59 PM

I would say the major difference is to build up the females fat reserves by slowing metabolism....which is being used for growth now. Cage size and design I'm sure has alot to do with it. Hotter hot spots,cooler cold spots,etc.

KevinM Mar 12, 2010 11:34 AM

I am currently raising up a pair of hondos right now and have never bred them. However, the size of yours sound a bit too small IMO. I would wait another year. The size and age of your hondos would be on the cusp for me to breed corns, but not sure about the hondos. Yours are probably not even a full two years old right now. If they havent been cycled, the female and the male may just not be interested in breeding because they are not conditioned to do so and their respective sex cells have not developed due to lack of age, size, cycling. They could also likely throw infertile eggs if they did breed, and the female may go egg bound if she is not old/large enough.

tspuckler Mar 12, 2010 03:07 PM

I've been breeding Hondurans for 20 years.

Yes, they can be bred without brumation.

They generally need to be 3 years old in order to reach adult size. This is usually about three feet for males and about three and a half feet for females.

Hondurans usually do not breed (in my experience) until the second or third shed of the year. Therefore, on average, they breed later in the year than corn snakes.

Tim
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markg Mar 15, 2010 02:46 PM

the male will breed her. If she is not cycling, he won't. I think you may have a timing issue.

I have never seen temperature affect a male's willingness to breed, brumation or not, when a female is cycling.
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