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Has anyone bred an Aztec with a motley yet?

I am really curious as to how that would turn out since Aztec x Aztec produces light colored patternless Super Aztecs and motley x motley breedings produce dark patternless super motleys.

I wonder if the Aztec mutation is compatible with the motley mutation (either the CA or Colombian).

If they are compatible would that make the Aztec a form of motley of the motley a form of Aztec...or is that sort of a "chicken/egg" question?

Also, how are the super Aztecs doing? Super motleys seem to have problems with longevity...I am curious if the super Aztecs are having any problems?

Amie

Amie, Thanks for such a neat question. Hopefully we will see what happens when a Motley breeds an Aztec in the next few years. I've talked with many a breeder about this very issue over the last few years and except for Mr Jeff Ronne all believe nothing special will be produced probably similar to a Motley X Arabesque mating. Me and the Jeffmiester believe a completely new morph is going to be created. Just a thought but a really big one if we're right. One other thing the Super Aztec has a nice strong pattern so I think your refering to the Pattern less Super Aztec. Hope these photo's help you with your question. Andrew

07 Super Aztec

08' Patternless Super Aztec

08' Super Aztec & 08' Patternless Super Aztec at 6 months side by side.

anything yet to prove that it is for sure a super and produces a whole litter of Aztecs? Not trying to start anything, I am just curious.
Thanks
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Robert McPhee
www.BBCExotics.com

Andrew and Bob had a male courting this year but I don't know if anything took
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Kevin Stewart

boldboas.com

results. That being said, then there is no proven "Super" Aztec....
That is kind of strange I have seen Super Aztec posted here and there. How can they be called Supers without being proven?
I can definitely see the difference in the F1 Aztec, versus the F2 possible Super Aztecs and I am sure it will probably prove more than likely. Good luck!
The Aztecs are definitely beautiful animals.
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Robert McPhee
www.BBCExotics.com

If that is the case then the same could be said about the Super Jungles as none have been "proven" as of yet...just saying.

Either way this year should prove well for both the Super Aztec and the Super Jungle.
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Brandon Nixon

Manny Freitas aka Perfect Predators produced a Hytec last year from a Hytec X TPos (http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch.php?id=1729541,1729541&key=2009). Seeing as how a HypoMotley has never produced a HypoMotley or a normal and acts like a "super" then Hypo and Motley are located on the same alleles while Aztec and Hypo are on different alleles hence reproducing itself on the first breeding. I heard Jeff talking about the possible "super" between a Motley and Aztec in Daytona and couldnt understand if the allele thing is over his head or he wasnt current with the boa news. Anyways good luck trying to prove it out..

A Hypo Motley has produced another Hypo Motley and can be done every time as long as the other animal is a Hypo of some sort. Also, I believe thats Manny Frade by the way.

I believe he was saying a Hypo Motley can only produce hypos or motleys as he said a Hypo motley has never produced hypo motleys or normals

btw did you like seeing your baby in goo there? Did you get yours from Manny?
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Brandon Nixon

Well B.,
i'm gonna have to agree to disagree about that one. Not that it's a big deal but these are his words and why I replied. "Seeing as how a HypoMotley has never produced a HypoMotley".

As for my boy,yea I see him in pic 3 and 4 of the babies. I want to see new pix of the one in the second,third and fourth pic with the really thick pattern. I know mine looks way different so I bet that one looks AWESOME!

Ah I could see how the comment want made.

>>As for my boy,yea I see him in pic 3 and 4 of the babies. I want to see new pix of the one in the second,third and fourth pic with the really thick pattern. I know mine looks way different so I bet that one looks AWESOME!
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Brandon Nixon

Not just with a Hypo but HypoMotley can also be reproduced if the other animal has Motley genetics but thats in the realm of obvious. What I meant was that a HypoMotley has not reproduced itself or normal offspring when bred to an animal not containing either gene. Hypo and Aztec are on seperate alleles while Hypo and Motley are on the same alleles, deductive reasoning spells out the rest.

and breed Hytek het T to a Motley het T and really see what happens! Who has a nice and ready Mot het T female late next year?? If they do infact make a new Morph, I think that breeding would be one HELL of a litter!

Hytek het Sharp X Sharp Motley or Hytek het Sharp X Paradigm Motley??? Seeing that both Hytek het Sharp and Hytek het T pos were born about a week apart...the race is on!!! Both can happen possibly late next season...just who can get their males big enough in a safe manner??? HHMMM...the race is on!!!LoL

A big thanks to all those who commented on this thread. The 07' male Super Aztec is an agressive breeder who has been breeding a couple of girls for a few months now including a Kahl Albino. As far as breeding the Super to another Aztec, it will be several years before that is attempted. We should know in a few months if he was successful. Thanks again for all the input and wish everyone a wonderful and productive season. Take care. Ciao. Andrew

07' Super Aztec X 04' Kahl Albino

Thank to everyone that responded!

Andrew, yes I was referring to the patternless super Aztec.

IMO, I think the Aztec and motley will produce something pretty cool.

Amie