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...first off there are no Retics breeding in the Everglades its the BURMESE, AFRICAN ROCK PYTHONS,the BOA CONSTRICTORS (although to be fair to the Boas they arent found in the Everglades either just a small piece of property not far from Miami)...there has never been any Retics found there...just for the record I live at Ground Zero(SthFl)grew up here all my life and I havent seen a damn python yet (they only seem to show up in the yards of non-snake people for some odd reason)...do I think they should have licenses for the Big 5(retic,burm,afrock,scrub,green anaconda)yes as a matter of fact I do I along with my Father and Grandfather have kept very large snakes(and Water Monitors) before including a 22' 300 lb Retic we rescued from a torn up house after Hurricane Andrew. Sorry if I was rude the other day (they erased it) but you should really go back and read your first couple of posts dude you sounded insane (i realize you have a specific problem with Retics what with getting beaten up and all that)...but you did come here and just started attacking us what did you expect??...

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1.0 c.b.02' 7' Pastel Colombian Boa(thanks Bill!)"Maverick"
0.1 c.b.06' 6' Firebelly x Pastel boa "Betty Boa"
0.1 c.b. 07 5' Amazon Basin Redtail Boa Lola Boa
1.0 c.b. 05 6' Hypo Sonoran Gophersnake
1.0 c.b. 05'2' Snow Corn "Zero"
1.0 wc Fl.Cornsnake "Iggy"
0.1 cb Okeetee Cornsnake "Bella"
1.0 wc Easteren Hognose Snake "Snape"

Someone other than Amazondoc had to come stir this place up. LOL

I did get beat up by a retic, it was weird. my friend wanted to breed that retic to MY burmese girls. I forgot what that cross was called but it had been "discovered" or something, I honestly don't remember what he was on about, he just came home with a giant retic one day, but he wanted to put my girls in with that monster of a tiger retic male so that he could get like one egg that MIGHT hatch into a burmxretic (they have a name... for the life of me i can't remember it!) very pretty specimen, he had three perfect stripes running down his back (not that that matters) but he did not want to be touched or handled, might as well have grabbed him out of some pond in India as wild as he was.

I do think the big 5 should be license for breeders permit for keepers, but of course that's not really whats going on here. Also since most of the herps I actually handle/see (which are not mine) are at trade shows, I'd made the conclusion that too many SPECIES of snakes are being represented in the market(/black market?) and it seems to me that they could establish themselves in Florida, Georgia (the actual SOUTH, where I see the doghouses, no i wasn't lying, yes I know people who do this, no I won't tell you who), Alabama and MS.

But they won't, I'm sure. It seems all you guys really needed for your case was a big freeze, igs fallin out of trees on youtube... lol bummer, but I guess they are introduced for the most part. I'm guessing these freezes will come every decade and wipe up our (herpkeepers) mess. Good for us, but those who dabble in snakes are irresponsible with snakes. Non?

Please come up with some kind of plan, the glades still has an apex predator that does not truly belong anywhere but asia.

Mostly this forum has been DEAD (except when AD says something), I've been watching it for a bit. I've seen just how rude you all can be. But I've also seen a loving pet community. I was surprised.

I respect a good calling-out.

I don't remember attacking you? Again, my question was, WHY (regardless of current events or really anything) is it your RIGHT to own an animal like this? (especially a venomous or crocodilian, not just the pythons and boids in question)

Obviously the large mammal people got what was coming to them, I am very glad that it's punishable by law to own one a giant cat or a pachyderm! Duh! Try to own a bear in my neighborhood, I'll b shooting a bear! What if it gets my dog? my daughter (who is very small). do i give a damn whether it's realistic or not? NO!

Those are not pets, and I don't believe in "inmates" like some of you snake folk, not even for fish. they live in large habitats designed by moi, hardly captive at all considering they don't actually leave the reef in the wild. my lizards likewise are with me right now watching me type, eating their greens on the coffee table. hardly an inmate in a drawer. My dog is sitting in an arm chair. These are pets.

dropping a mouse/rat/rabbit in occasionally so that you can watch it get eaten....? well... that i wouldn't want to bring home to my mother.

What is my point? I want you guys to understand that nobody is going to give a damn about you until your snakes seem more like PETS. At least the crazy big cat people pretend like their animals are pets... yikes!

Nobody and I repeat nobody (including me) wants you to say "my snake captives". srsly what are you guys trying to kill your own hobby?!?!? Also nobody cares if you feel it's your right, bc nowhere in the constitution does it say "everyone gets at least one ridiculous carnivorous animal to keep in their home".

The more I think people should not need permits to keep animals but should perhaps have to pass an I.Q. test. Based on your burm/retic experiment, I suspect you might fail.
Btw before you come on to this forum and insult people who keep large reptiles and crocodilians and basically say we should be legislated out of existence. Before you paint all Fl. herpers with this broad brush of being irresponsible.
You should realize that if were not for one of those native floridian crocodile/large reptile breeders you wouldn't be enjoying your precious cycluras right now. The only ones in the country would be in zoos and I think he even supplied them with a lot of their cycluras.

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The more I think people should not need permits to keep animals but should perhaps have to pass an I.Q. test. Based on your burm/retic experiment, I suspect you might fail.
Btw before you come on to this forum and insult people who keep large reptiles and crocodilians and basically say we should be legislated out of existence. Before you paint all Fl. herpers with this broad brush of being irresponsible.
You should realize that if were not for one of those native floridian crocodile/large reptile breeders you wouldn't be enjoying your precious cycluras right now. The only ones in the country would be in zoos and I think he even supplied them with a lot of their cycluras.
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Insults to my intellect ignored. I do understand that without reptile breeders i wouldn't have my damned cyclura. You misunderstand ALL of my posts. I'm saying enforce large reptiles, not push you out of existence. Of course certain kinds of people only hear ultimatums when sound ideas are offered.

Im guessing that you refer to Tom Crutchfield, he's always been a hero of mine due to movies, but I wasn't aware of where he resided. Yes my cyclura are his line (i was told) and yes I'm thankful to him for my pets. But do I think that they are for everyone? no. Should I need a permit? I have one anyway. I would go get another if my state said I needed to. Not bc it protects people, it protects reptiles from ignorance (which I am of course guilty of with my roommates retic/burm project)
I had wanted to breed burms and my friend brought a retic from the yearly OKC (bob clark) tradeshow. He was told that "it happens and it works", from L-rd knows who. I suspect you haven't made any bad decisions or investments in this hobby? Ya right. One act of ignorance does not make me completely ignoramus, but judge/label me as you will.

I believe that all they are after is money, permits generate money. Propose something anyway! It's a solution, maybe not a good one. But my inteligence doesn't need to be brought into this just because I don't believe the way that you do.

Personally, I think there is so much lost in a generation, or two.
So much is taken for granted. So much is wrong on how we got here.
That's what makes this so hard for for some younger folks to grasp what this is all about. They live in a prepackaged, hermetically sealed world of instant gratification.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

It is apparent to me that we are seeing the results of the modern public education system here.

Sad isn't it.

>>It is apparent to me that we are seeing the results of the modern public education system here.

I absolutely agree. Seems like these days children are taught (either directly or by example) that results and critical thinking don't really matter anymore. Good intentions and feeling good are what's important. I have three kids in public schools, and every year I get more and more disgusted with the school system. If my local school board spent 1/10 as much time focusing on "the three r's" as they do on "diversity" policies that have zero evidence to show they (the policies) help any student(s), the kids would be much better off.