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OK i know it has taken a wile put here are the pics of my albino 75% Burm 25 Retic batcatcher. She eats like a horse and is sooo tame hope the pics work

http://www.reptimania.co.uk/images/gallery/2/reburm1.jpg

http://www.reptimania.co.uk/images/gallery/2/reburm2.jpg

But I'm having a real hard time detecting the 25% retic in it. At best, maybe some of the neck appears thinner than most burms. But the pattern, head shape, etc, all look like a burmese.

By the way, her lung region looks really wide. I just thought I would mention it in case it might be something to worry about. But I have seen a few snakes in my day get respitory infections and one thing that happens prior to more severe complications is a swelling of the lungs as the tissue is irritated. If it's nothing forget I mentioned it. Better safe than sorry, you know?

>>OK i know it has taken a wile put here are the pics of my albino 75% Burm 25 Retic batcatcher. She eats like a horse and is sooo tame hope the pics work
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>>http://www.reptimania.co.uk/images/gallery/2/reburm1.jpg
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>>http://www.reptimania.co.uk/images/gallery/2/reburm2.jpg
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True power is to be found in one's sheer will and personal determination to achieve one's goals at ANY cost and at ANY sacrifice.

I agree it does look more like a burm than retic but they are all different from one another some look more retic. i'm not sure about a mate for her yet? i was thinking maybe a supper tiger retic but i'm not sure. Any suggestions? I will keep an eye out for any sign of R I, but she is clean at the moment.

I would think there is only two snakes that should breed with an albino bateater. An albino retic, or a dwarf albino retic. Anything albino and more on the side of the gene she lacks. That's my advice.

>>I agree it does look more like a burm than retic but they are all different from one another some look more retic. i'm not sure about a mate for her yet? i was thinking maybe a supper tiger retic but i'm not sure. Any suggestions? I will keep an eye out for any sign of R I, but she is clean at the moment.
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True "power" is not to be found in social or economic placement or stature, which are merely illusory, finite, frail and brief.
True power is to be found in one's sheer will and personal determination to achieve one's goals at ANY cost and at ANY sacrifice.

You need a mate for a Burm/Retic cross a.k.a "Bateater"?
How about mating it with a King Cobra? Maybe you can get something really cool and really muddy up the gene pool! You might just end up with some really awesome huge albino venomous burm - retic looking snakes that can hood up!

Hummm........or maybe not

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I don't believe in luck. Luck is God covering your a** when you screw up.

First, your post was categorically unnecessary and proved nothing other than you dislike hybrids. How about some scientific evidence to back it up? Just SOMETHING to explain why you feel there is something wrong with it to justify your ludicrous post?
You hybrid-haters need to chill out.

Last time I checked opinions were allowed on these forums no matter how they were expressed so long as they did not violate Kingsnake.com's TOS. I think the person who post that this particular hybrid looks almost exactly like a burmese python gives credit to DUMGIRL'S post. At least he posted it as a hybrid and not some "new strain" or albino burmese python. If he ever decides to get rid of that snake I hope that it is represented as a hybrid and not pure. And I hope the person who buys it does so as well. There are enough hybrids out there to worry about if you are trying to work with "pure" animals. All we ask is to represent the hybrids for what they are. Derek

I'm glad someone got it.... Sorry I just don't see the point to hybrids, sure it might be a cool "conversation piece" but I just can't see jeporadizing the gene pool by artificially creating these "mutts" and then to further breed them with each other or other species is even more puzzling - but I guess I am new to this and should just sit quietly! As far as I know, Burmese can produce upwards of 50 eggs so potentially from one hybrid mating 50 "bat eaters" could be produced? Where do all these animals go? These ain't little "jungle corns" that can live their whole life in a shoebox rack! And the way Burmese and other giant snakes are passed around when people tire of them, it would be easy for "mixed breed" snakes to be represented as purebreds and there goes the gene pool!Especially when they look so similar to regular Burms like that animal that was pictured (are you sure that is a hybrid? ) At least Albinos, Greens, Granites etc. are all still pure Burmese and will readily produce normal offspring if not carefully mated to the right partner.
Hey, just my 2 cents, don't anyone get their panties in a bunch - Dumergirl

I have some hybrids (rock/ burmese) but am not just "pro-hybrid" because of this. There are some hybrids that I am supportive of,. and other hybrids that I am appalled by when people produce them. In the case of the rock/burmese or burmese/retic hybrids, I feel that it is a good thing in many ways. I understand completely what you are saying when you point out that unknown hybrids can polute the gene pool. But I would not go so far as to call them "mutts". In this case they are a cut above and truly very interesting. Especially in the case of the burmese/rock hybrids which are pythons from different continents. But one of the possible upsides that I can see is that with more designer breeding like this it may have a positive effect on wild caught/importation,. which I am mostly opposed to. Also, these animals are much more expensive and thus are much more likely to not be viewed as "expendable" or to be purchased by the type of person that would abandon them when they reach 10 feet. Not impossible, but much less likely. And I like this aspect. Also,.. the hybrids offer people an oportunity to experience a rock python, without the outright aggressive behavior. All of my hybrids and all that I have seen have the more passive burmese demeanor.

Now,. the hybrids that I am greatly opposed to are the ones that involve an animal that is either extinct in the wild, close to extinction, or is virtually unobtainable in the pet trade. A perfect example of a species that many are hybridizing are the hogg island boas. They are completely extinct in the wild and their captive counterparts should be kept as pure as possible as a result. There are no more contributing genes to be had from the wild and with too much cross breeding the true species can be lost forever. I just can't believe it when I hear that a breeder crossed his or her hogg with a colombian so as to make pinker babies. Or an albino hogg. I am just appalled. In just a few years pure hoggs will be worth 10 times what an albino hogg cross would be worth. The same goes with the diamond/jungle crosses. I think that the diamond blood should not be toyed with. They are a rare and hard to get animal and should be kept pure.

I personally think that more responsibility should be taken by breeders and herpers in the herp trade in general to keep any hybrids accounted for. But unfortunately I can't realistically see this happening. So all I can do is post my opinion and to do whatever I personally can do with the hybrids that I produce to ensure that they are never mistaken for a pure species.

>>I'm glad someone got it.... Sorry I just don't see the point to hybrids, sure it might be a cool "conversation piece" but I just can't see jeporadizing the gene pool by artificially creating these "mutts" and then to further breed them with each other or other species is even more puzzling - but I guess I am new to this and should just sit quietly! As far as I know, Burmese can produce upwards of 50 eggs so potentially from one hybrid mating 50 "bat eaters" could be produced? Where do all these animals go? These ain't little "jungle corns" that can live their whole life in a shoebox rack! And the way Burmese and other giant snakes are passed around when people tire of them, it would be easy for "mixed breed" snakes to be represented as purebreds and there goes the gene pool!Especially when they look so similar to regular Burms like that animal that was pictured (are you sure that is a hybrid? ) At least Albinos, Greens, Granites etc. are all still pure Burmese and will readily produce normal offspring if not carefully mated to the right partner.
>>Hey, just my 2 cents, don't anyone get their panties in a bunch - Dumergirl
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True "power" is not to be found in social or economic placement or stature, which are merely illusory, finite, frail and brief.
True power is to be found in one's sheer will and personal determination to achieve one's goals at ANY cost and at ANY sacrifice.

I understand your point of view on the Hogg Island boas and the Diamond pythons. These are rare in the wild (or extinct) and should be kept pure. The only problem I see with your logic is if/when Burmese pythons, African Rock pythons, and/or Reticulated pythons become extinct in the wild. When that happens you have to turn to captive populations to keep the species viable. If you are making hybrids now and say in 200 years one of those species of pythons become extinct, then what happens to that particular species when is respective gene pool is either no longer pure, or at least questionable? Derek

Good point, but fortunately humans do occasionally learn from their mistakes and I feel that more preventative measures will be in place for that. No one was really aware of the hoggs as they went extinct (the herp world as a whole). But I think it will be noticed with the other species. (I hope!) And it's good that we have these forums and discuss these issues and keep them alive and on the surface. Awareness leads to solutions.

>>I understand your point of view on the Hogg Island boas and the Diamond pythons. These are rare in the wild (or extinct) and should be kept pure. The only problem I see with your logic is if/when Burmese pythons, African Rock pythons, and/or Reticulated pythons become extinct in the wild. When that happens you have to turn to captive populations to keep the species viable. If you are making hybrids now and say in 200 years one of those species of pythons become extinct, then what happens to that particular species when is respective gene pool is either no longer pure, or at least questionable? Derek
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True "power" is not to be found in social or economic placement or stature, which are merely illusory, finite, frail and brief.
True power is to be found in one's sheer will and personal determination to achieve one's goals at ANY cost and at ANY sacrifice.

>>np
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True "power" is not to be found in social or economic placement or stature, which are merely illusory, finite, frail and brief.
True power is to be found in one's sheer will and personal determination to achieve one's goals at ANY cost and at ANY sacrifice.