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My het BW caramel(from Jeff Ronne) X het sharp female. Their was never another male near her. 3 of the babies kind of look albino ??? Can paradigms look this way. Born this morning!!!

Ding ding ding! That be the lottery bell son! Congrats!

Thats weird! Stuff like this has happend befor but it always leaves you scrtatching your head. So, there was never another male with her, or as of this year there wasn't another male with her? Cause those are definitely Albinos. They all look great! Good job Dano!

She had a litter in 2009 from a dbl het sharp sunglow. He hasnt been with her since Nov 2008.Only the het caramel has been with her. I am sending the shed skins to Dr Booth. It may be parthonogenesis ? I will find out.

In that case I'm guessing retained sperm

The answers will be interesting

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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I had a female het albino retain sperm from a breeding that was more then two years prior. The sperm she retained was from a dbl het sunglow. I think it is pretty clear that your female retained sperm from last season.

A mixture.

I think the "Albinos" are either the result of parthenogenesis or from retained sperm. I'll bet they are all females!

If it is parthenogenesis, it's interesting that you had some that are clearly the result of the breeding you expected along side some that aren't.

Congrats on the Paradigms Dan!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
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Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

I was also gonna say I bet they're all females also. Then I thought about J.Stone. I believe this happened to him when breeding a Motley het for nothing to a VPI Tpos and ended up with 3 Tpos in the litter. Well,i'm pretty sure one was male cause I wanted him but he was already sold. Usually when this happens they're all female though like Jeff stated. Now I can't wait for you to sex them! Congrats again Dan! This is only my second year breeding but i've been waiting for something like this to happen to me! What a fun issue to have! LoL

But wouldn't Paradigms rule out parthenogenesis? I thought parthenogenesis would give the babies two genes from the mom which in this case was het Sharp. And without the caramel gene present Dan wouldn't have gotten paradigms.

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Jason Gonzalez

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Assuming the sharp albino and the caramel gene are on different chromosomal locations, then it is entirely posible for these to be parthenogens.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Warren this is exactly something I was discussing the other day

I said I wasn't entirely convinced that BWC and Sharp are entirely
compatible (Meaning maybe they don't reside on the same loci)

(In my own little under educated way )

I've been curious if BWC and Sharp affect the Tyrosinase catalyzing enzyme
in a different way creating the Paradigm

Ha ha Ha

Something like that ha ha

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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I agree that the two genes reside on different loci. If this litter is parthenogenetic (get me shed skins and I will prive that), then the fact we se paradigms, albinos, normals, etc, here, tells us that the two genes reside on different loci.
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

They are all females.

Congratulations and this is so very strange.

I'm really interested in the results of the sexing of these babies ?

That's some strange Parthenogenesis type stuff.

If it is Partheno, its actually good news, because it proves a Fem
can have both Partheno and normal fertilization at the same time

I didn't believe that to be the case!

Fun Fun Fun Fun !!

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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No necessarily. If the two genes reside on different chromosomes, then the offspring can be mix of normal, albino, paradigm and caramel.

Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

I looked over the first message. So this female is only a het BW caramel. I read it as her being a het BWcaramel X het sharp, and therefore could have both genes as heterozygous form.
Hmmm, this is more interesting now, if she is not a sharp gene carrier.
Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

And again I type without proof reading. I meant to say het sharp with no BW caramel genes.
Very interesting litter.
Warren
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Dr Warren Booth / Director USARK
North Carolina State University
Department of Entomology

Those are Bee-U-tiful!

I got to get me a het BW caramel male. I wasn't clear on how
that worked until now. I thought both parents had to have it.

Maybe the het boawoman was a parahet?

I thought Parahets were either het BW or het Sharp..but can not be both?

David you're correct, a Parahet is a Parahet because it can't be
determined if it is het Sharp or het BWC

there is an equal chance it could be either / or

So if someone has a BWC its never gonna be called a "Parahet"

A Known BWC het will be a little more expensive than the Parahet

Because the chance of it proving out as Het Sharp is already
taken out of the equation

Hopefully this makes sense to you and others

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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well Dan, whatever happened, they are GORGEOUS! Congrats on the super cool litter! I hope you are able to figure it out. Aren't boas great?
-April
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

The information on http://www.paradigmboa.com indicates that the boawoman caramel mutant gene and the Sharp albino mutant gene have the same location in the boa constrictor chromosomes.

Expected results from a het boawoman caramel X het Sharp albino mating:
1/4 normal (looks normal)
1/4 het Sharp albino (looks normal)
1/4 het boawoman caramel (looks normal)
1/4 paradigm

Hope this helps.

Paul Hollander