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Isn’t this interesting to contemplate… This is a little bit like a conspiracy prognostication in my little mind anyhow.

A number of years ago Bigg Mike introduced us all to the Paradigm Boa. This was a monumental event and one we shall never forget. At the time, not have any inkling that two distinct mutations could in fact reside on the exact same location, I speculated that the BW Caramel and Sharp Albino together utilizing nothing more than what I believed were visual het traits that together made the appearance of the Paradigm. Chris Gilbert then illuminated us to the fact that it is possible for two different traits to reside on the same allele. Something that virtually no Boa guys knew about. Future breedings have in fact led us to believe that this is correct. But is it?

I think it probably is. But if it is not, then in every instance where a person uses a Paradigm to breed to a Sharp Albino, every single Albino produced is not only homozygous for Sharp Albino but is 50% Possible het for BW Caramel! What does that mean? Well that means that 50% of those Albinos WILL produce Paradigm Boas with ANYTHING you breed them to. That’s right. All the offspring from such an Albino will inherit the Sharp Albino gene. Half of them will also inherit the BW Caramel gene creating Paradigm Boas with Boas completely unrelated to BW Caramels and Sharp Albinos. It’s at least very interesting to think about and at best something else exciting to ponder… my mind wanders in the wilderness too much.

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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

I was proposing a possibility in theory.

Most likely Sharp and BWC do reside on the same Loci but if not

This is where my uneducated mind speculates possibly a different process

A process that does not require the two traits to reside on the same Locus

I've been curious if BWC and Sharp affect the Tyrosinase catalyzing enzyme
in a different way creating the Paradigm

I still believe with my scenario when the Sharp Gene and the BWC gene
are combined or unite in any way a Paradigm will result

Leaving no possibility for a Sharp Albino het BWC

I still haven't thought this all the way through so there
are still holes in this idea

It might be as simple as a disruption of the chromatoblasts
migration to the skin early in embryogenesis

Or it might be a disruption somewhere else in the process

Melanophores, found in both the dermis and epidermis, are dendritic cells that synthesize melanin, or black and brown pigments. Melanin is contained in melanosomes, intracellular organelles within the melanophore. Melanosynthesis, the synthesis of melanin, essentially consists of the conversion of the amino acid tyrosine into melanin, through a series of chemical reactions. Tyrosine is first converted to dihydroxyphenylalanine (dopa), and dopa to dopaquinone, in the presence of a catalyst, o-Diphenol oxidase (tyrosinase). Tyrosinase is a copper-protein enzyme, and the conversions of tyrosine and dopa cannot take place in the absence of this catalyst Both the synthesis of melanin and tyrosinase occur in the melanosome. From the melanosomes, synthesized melanin is transferred to the dendrites, projections found on the cell wall, at which point dopaquinone continues to undergo further metabolic elaboration to become melanin (Bechtel, 1995).

Like I said above I'm potentially over looking major facts
that would discount my idea.

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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Hey Jeff, hold on a second. I think that the litter Dan posted on the "other" forum is a case of parthenogenesis/retained sperm and fertilization with the het BW. If your thoughts about the paradigms are correct then that means we should be able to produce a red devil!!!!! The hypo and mot gene act the same as the paradigms. I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. I would love to produce red devils this coming year as well as the paradigms, paraglows, caramels, hypo caramels and jungle paradigms but I just do not think I will be producing the red devils. I need a little more time to wrap my head around this but I think that what you are proposing is just simply not feasable(sp?).......

Joe

In a Paradigm X Sharp breeding, if the Sharp and Caramel were on separate locations, you would get some offspring that were not Sharp Albinos and not Paradigms.

So. I'm just thinking out loud or as I type this. A Paradigm to a Sharp nets 50% Sharps and 50% Paradigm Boas. If those two traits were in different locations you would still get 50% Sharp Albinos but only 25% Paradigms and 25% "wild type" het Sharps.

Additionally, a Paradigm bred to something unrelated would make 25% Paradigm Boas if they were in different locations. A number of Paradigm Boas have been bred to non-Sharp or Caramel animals without a Paradigm being produced.

I stand fully corrected. The Sharp and the BW Caramel mutation do reside on the same location. I just hope I can remember that now! LOL
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

What makes the most sense to me now is the 25% - 50% -25% results
that you should have to get in that scenario

So Sharp to Paradigm always nets 50% Paradigm 50% Sharp Albino

BWC to Paradigm will always net 50% Paradigm 50% BWC Boas

So it actually leaves no doubt or question, hmmm

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

I Support USark.org

BWC to Paradigm will always net 50% Paradigm 50% BWC Boas

So if a Paradigm is made from Sharp,would any babies from this pairing be het for Sharp? Just the Paradigm? What would the litter look like from Sharp to BWC?

A Paradigm is just a double het Sharp/BWC so if you breed a Sharp to a BWC you get all Paradigms.

well here is the paradigm mystery lets go with what i have read mind you i have not successfully bred anything yet for my animals are too lil and still growing so lets go on the hypothetical side of things what would happen if you put a paradigm to a normal or a motley it would be 25 digms 50 normal and 25 possible het bcw/ mots right? or am i mistaken i didnt think the paradigm was a codom both parents need to have some genetic hets for this geno right?
if this be the case we all would be sitting fat on paradigm boas now back to the sharp / paradigm by introducing the caramel gene to the sharp lines wouldnt it be possible that they might be a caramel sharp? this could be the mistake of the chocolate sharp that has been floating around it would be interesting if this be the case now wouldnt it? the chocolate sharp actually being the caramel or ultramel version of the paradigm sharp lol someone slap me for even saying it please

just something for you snake nuts to ponder

Ray
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2 triple het sharps m/f
1 motley with attitude
1 sharp anery albino f when i get off my butt and get her from classareptilia
1 fridge with a 12 pack in it