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it was sold as a greenish rat snake? it amazes me how little the vendors know about ratsnakes.

Not exactly a Nation Geo quality pic but I'd guess Gulf Hammock.
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a greenish rat, and It looks like a greenish rat...

Why would you accuse the vender of not knowing what he was selling just because you don't?

>>a greenish rat, and It looks like a greenish rat...
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>> Why would you accuse the vender of not knowing what he was selling just because you don't?

I think I'm going to have to agree here.
I see a lot of posts where people ask What is it?
and when people speculate they say..The vendor said it was so-and-so.
My guess is it's probably a so-and-so.
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I certainly respect that opinion and in general, it's probably true but if you've been on the pit forum in the last week or so you'll know that there are exceptions to the rule.

See:
forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1797826,1797826
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Man!,..my buddy told me about those bull x pine crosses...geeez!

I'm sure many are not thrilled with those things, not to mention the buyer too now.

~Doug
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From the not-so-great pic, that's what it looks like to me. But some juvenile obsoleta(okay..obsoletus) are tough to ID to the subspecific level even with GOOD pics anyway.

I'm sorta at a loss too, so if the vendor "allegedly" doesn't know what he sold you, then you tell US what you think it is!..LOL!

A better pic would sure help to clarify things.

~Doug
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the use of the term "greenish rat" by the vendor, which leads you to feel the vendor didnt know what it was exactly? That is a fairly legit term for one of the natural integrades between I believe the black and yellow rats. Also refered to as the Gulf Hammock rat. It looks like a greenish rat/Gulf Hammock, so the vendor does know what he is talking about. Thats the confusion with common names in general, plus some of the natural integrades out there in nature.

I thought Gulf Hammock was different that "Greenish"? Anyway, the reason I leaned Gulf Hammock is that it looks big enough to begin losing the blotching by now if it was and is retaining a clean "motely" pattern that I think of for Gulf Hammock...but what do I know
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Monklet, I may be confusing my integrades!! Not sure if Gulf Hammock and Greenish rat refer to the same. I think both are integrades. Is one yellow by black and the other yellow by grey? Ahhh.... some of this stuff drives me nuts LOL!!!

...is that "Greenish Rat" is the intergrade between yellow and black and looks like a mucky, greenish cast yellow, whereas Gulf Hammock is regional in the "Big Bend" portion of FL, is quite distinctive and was at one time considered a subspecies "williamsi". The typically retain both blotches and and stripes to form the "motley" pattern.

...all that said, I defer to higher authority
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Yeah, that is the deal, Gulf Hammock(williamsi) = Yellow x Gray, and "greenish = Yellow x Black. All can be a bit variable of course too.

Yes, I'm thinking the term "greenish rat" on the label might have made the poster assume the guy(the vendor)didn't know what he was talking about, and just dreamed the name up out of the clear blue if he/she had never researched or heard of the weird name before..LOL!. But to the original poster, it is indeed a very commonly used term for that specific intergrade ratsnake.

~Doug
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