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Recently recieved a farmbred Varanus prasinus of august 2009.
I think it's a female but can someone confirm this?

Here is a headshot:

Tailbase

Way too small/young. Feed the snot out of it, get some size on it and then post some pics. Good luck with it, sure is pretty.

I am sure that someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I read that male prasinus (as well as acanthurus and several other species) have Os in the hemipenes and can be sexed vs radiographs in that region. Getting an X ray done at your vet seems very reasonable to me.

Your wrong, hahahahahahahaha. Well very old ones do, not young ones. Which is the problem, this is a young one.

But it does look female.

All those smaller varanids are easily everted when adult. Babies are a crap shoot. Cheers

Aren't they all "females" at this age/size? As in look female but could always "man" up later

This kind of response is why I rarely even view these forums. It was very hostile for no reason at all, especially since they will develop the mineralization later anyway if male, and better yet you provide no timeline for when such things develop. Its hard for me to take people who post rudely like this seriously.

I don't think he was trying to be rude to you I think he was busting on you a bit but only in good fun. I notice frank doesn't post on here very often any more but his is advice is always top notch.You can learn a lot from what he has to say if you're willing to listen. I know I have over the years. It's kind of like having Uli Jon Roth give you guitar lessons. which, if you don't know who Uli Jon Roth is, would be a very good thing.

Id rather Joe Satriani....

Hahaha,
Mike.

yeah, if you think that was rude than you really don't know Frank, His sense of humor doesn't translate well online.

Anyway as far as it calcifying in older males, well by that time it's irrelavant, as older males are easy as hell to sex. It's only the young ones that it's a guessing game.

I wasn't Satriani that gave Vai the Idea for his 7-string .

You asked for someone to correct you and I did. How rude is that.

How about using some common sense, which at times is totally lost with the science of varanids.(as opposed to functional knowledge of varanids)

I do not know much but I do know this, the male sexual organ with monitors is stored inside out. Then when erect is EVERTED. Which means it must turn inside out. It must be very flexible. Rubber like if you will. To have a bone in something that must be turned inside out seems very odd to me. There are thousands of other reptiles with such organs and none have bones in them.

So if you will, could you or anyone please explain why a bone or calicum buildup is normal in an organ that MUST be everted(turned inside out) to FUNCTION. Please explain that to me.

Also, If you look at those papers, did they ever use a successfully reproductive male???? Or did they just report calicum in the male organ?

My bet, and its only a bet is, they radiographed individual males with visceral gout. Visceral gout is the build up of calicum deposits in organs.

So yes, having a male radiographed will prove its a male, even if its a non functional male.

Again, I could be wrong, but I think people here want to know the sex of monitors that are FUNCTIONAL. And/or, learn how to determine the gender of potentially functional monitors.

The reality is, prasinus adults(half grown and up) are very very very very easy to determine the gender. They are so thin that males are so very obvious.

Prasinus are also very very very easy to evert, just like other reptiles. Particularly when adult.

You mention timeline, sir if you knew anything about varanids, or any reptile you would understand timelines depend on the KEEPER, not the kept. I will use me as an example, when I was exploring their reproductive potential of varanids, it was common to have varanids go egg to egg in 4 to 12 months of age, including large species. When I no longer had that interest, It could take two three years to reach sexual maturity. Remember, the same keeper(me) and the same species. All were successful, both the rapid and the older varanids.

The very sad truth is, the vast majority of captive hatched varanids will NEVER reach sexual maturity. So a time line is mute. Thanks

Thank you all for your respons.
There were 4 animals from which I could choose. All were about the same size, but this one was much thinner build then the others and also when picked up she (I still presume it's a female) everted not much but she did shoot out a lot of crap.

Also in comparison with the others her tailbase was also much thinner and the head was a lot smaller too.

I must say that I do not have much experience with emeralds and how to sex them. Because I never did, and this was the first time. I never held an adult so I do not specificly know where to look. Ik know there is a different in the form of the snout and the nostrils but I can't find good reference pictures.

All in all I am a big time newcommer to Emerald, so any help and info is most appreciated!

Here's another pic of her hanging around!

It's a female. I have a pair that I bought last year. The male was only a few months and the female around six months if I were to guess. The male has always had a huge tail base when compared to the female even when he was 3 1/2 inches snout to vent. When looking underneath he looks like he has 2 long triangular/cone shaped bulges(his hemipenes). The female looks like yours and only has small evenly proportioned triangle shaped bulges. When he everts he has very long hemipenes(normal looking male), when the female everts it is very short with a tiny dark fleshy tip that's barely there. I see them evert sometimes first thing in the morning when I spray them with water.

This is the post that I wanted in response. One that gave information and not "YOURE WRONG HAHAHAHAHAHA." I actualyl read this mutiple places. im gonna look it up now, but The fact that its onyl in older animals makes sense

You did say, someone tell me I am wrong. So thats what you got.

There's also more to this sexing thing. First off, monitors are easy to sex, except the very young.

Experienced keepers do not worry about what sex the very young are, they just go about the business of raising them up, and quickly and I mean very quickly, its obvious what sex they are.

The inexperienced do what inexperienced do, they worry about things that they really should not worry about.

The KEY to breeding varanids is raising babies, if you can raise them fast and strong, they always move right into reproduction. If you see one laying eggs, I can guarantee its a female.

If you really are concerned about gender, then I suggest you/any of you, get off your bumms and go look at reproductive varanids. Look at working males and females, once you do that, it gets a lot easier. Sitting here looking at words written on a page is pretty silly. looking at the real thing is not so silly and far more educational. Cheers